5 players over the course of a month getting kicked for previous bans isn't exactly a lot. In fact only one player was caught cheating on that server over the course of 2 months. That's hardly alarming. That page is bloated with kicks for VAC bans completely unrelated to AAPG. I'm not trying to say there is or isn't a problem, just saying that live list is hardly compelling.
Yep. Mostly VAC bans from who knows how long ago and many, many duplicates that make the list look longer.
PBBans has 102 recorded bans for dirty actions in AAPG. ACI has 437. Meanwhile, 500,000+ different accounts have played the game. 1 in 1000 players getting caught is actually, I suspect, a really low number for an online FPS. The real rate is higher for a variety of reasons (insert logic here), I just agree that ACI or PB data isn't evidence of a major problem.
Let's compare to BF3. PBBans has 73,000 bans on file. While BF3 has sold 17 million copies, only 2.75 million are on PC. That's a capture rate of 2.6%, WAY higher than AAPG's.
So the possible takeaways I get:
1) AAPG has far fewer dirty players (0.1% vs 2.6%)
2) Dirty players aren't caught as well in AAPG as in BF3
3) Some mix of the two
Well BCPull I know we actually think the same way but you cherry pick the numbers here, to prove a point. You talk about all registered accounts for a free game and use this number for your calculation, but by a simple BG Check I found that the OP for this thread has already 8 accounts (go figure why?) So I am sure the number are way higher statistically. And from my personal experience I can say I encountered (as server admin) more blant TOS Vilolaters during the last 3 months of AAPG than I did in the first 3 years of AA Brand early 2000s. And the playerbase is way smaller than it was back in the day. And at any given day active playerbase is max 2000 ppl for AAPG. You know with your math, I could go and say.. hmm 2000/500 and come up with a ridiculous high rate or TOS violators
This whole vacban thing is just ridiculous imo....i am really wondering why the devs even allow to run a script that blocks player to play aapg for something that has nothing to do with this game at all.
Well I do disagree with this. Sure like Kill@ said there are ridiculous reasons to get a VAC ban, but its an indication for an admin. And the majority of the VAC bans are not for ridiculous reasons. So my credo is simple. If the player likes to use TOS violation in another online game, for me he is not trustworthy, period. I will not waste my time to go around spectate him for longer period (yeah funny me, I do this to really collect evidence). He can simply take his account to some other server in which no one does care about his past.
I do however agree that admins should not accuse players publicly, but in the heat of the moment we all get a bit personal I guess. If you would only see how many steam messages I receive during a game, from so many different players (including top known comp players) warning me about someone in the server using some kinda cheat, you would be really suprised.
I am surprised I only got kicked from there once. Hopefully you opened your eyes.
Actually my eyes were always open. And I am sure you know better than me what many of your fellow comp brothers think about you. But you still come and play on our servers anytime and you have never been banned. The 1 time kick was, when you joined the game while a stacked team was already leading by far, and decided to join their side, even though you could be a player who could balance that match a little.
So you did get kicked cos I don't like this kinda attitude/ player mentality on my server. (hope this does not get deleted my mod- I am simply telling my opinion here)
Back to topic:
I see a problem in general that there is a huge mistrust in this game at the moment. But there is no need to stigmatize admins or badmins for it. Its just the fact that so many know how easy it is to find and use some TOS Violation Software, and ppl are being very rude to each other for other reasons, bashing each other all the time. People care more about their fragrates than teamplay, people try to find any glitch in the game to get an advantage over others, and of course badmins banning ppl without enough proof because their egos are hurt..
But on the other side, I have seen many top comp players leaving in the last round or rage quitting way early if they start to have a bad K/D ration during a match. Cause they (like the badmins) have faulty ego, and would like to bring home their tailored match win ratios.
Still I do agree, that if you ban a player for a legit reason, you shouldn't be rude about it. I try to do this myself, many times it works well, in other times.. yeah I also lack the Budha wisdom and answer back in voip if the players is being a D!ckhead.
So my credo is simple. If the player likes to use TOS violation in another online game, for me he is not trustworthy, period.
I would partly agree if it would be in multiplayer games only,because it "harms" other players.Since steam is all about "online gaming",i just cant.F.e. even me used a "money creator" in need for speed singleplayer a few years ago ( long before i installed steam ) just to be able to drive the nice cars without playing hundreds of hours.And i didnt felt bad at all....doesnt mean i would cheat in a multiplayer game.According to the ACI kicklist of your server you just block a huge amount of players without even knowing what they did wrong (and like i said,for actions not related to aapg). And since you cant say what happend because VAC doesnt prove anything,imo the rule should be : Innocent till proven guilty.
. I try to do this myself, many times it works well, in other times.. yeah I also lack the Budha wisdom and answer back in voip if the players is being a D!ckhead.
Im just saying....but bypassing the language filter is also a tos violation No worries,you are still trustworthy for me in this forum
This whole vacban thing is just ridiculous imo....i am really wondering why the devs even allow to run a script that blocks player to play aapg for something that has nothing to do with this game at all.
Not up to the Dev's, its a optional ACI live secure setting.
This whole vacban thing is just ridiculous imo....i am really wondering why the devs even allow to run a script that blocks player to play aapg for something that has nothing to do with this game at all.
Not up to the Dev's, its a optional ACI live secure setting.
I know But its still their game. Since you cant provide official server for all of the players,this script somehow "damage" the game because it doesnt help to grow the playerbase.
I would partly agree if it would be in multiplayer games only,because it "harms" other players.Since steam is all about "online gaming",i just cant.F.e. even me used a "money creator" in need for speed singleplayer a few years ago ( long before i installed steam ) just to be able to drive the nice cars without playing hundreds of hours.And i didnt felt bad at all....doesnt mean i would cheat in a multiplayer game.According to the ACI kicklist of your server you just block a huge amount of players without even knowing what they did wrong (and like i said,for actions not related to aapg). And since you cant say what happend because VAC doesnt prove anything,imo the rule should be : Innocent till proven guilty.
well I should have said it clearer. I meant multiplayer online gaming. I also used some god mode on older single player games (well most of the stuff was already integrated into game anyways)
The problem with VAC Ban is that it does not show for what you got it. The problem is, if the player is playing AAPG with a VAC banned account. I do not have time to go out there and look further if he did it for something silly or not. But it would be a nice research to see, what kinda games those ppl on our VAC kicked list play in general. From my usual BG checks mostly fps players also have other fps games on their steam profile.
Lets say a player is auto kicked for a VAC ban, he can still appeal for it, if the VAC ban was for something silly like skin violation etc, we would reconsider the ban. In this case he should show me that he is in fact innocent, not other way around. But again this is my opinion and how I like to run my server. Others might have different opinions as well, I will not judge them for it.
The problem with VAC Ban is that it does not show for what you got it.
Thats the point.... So why not allow him to play AAPG!? Until he really does something wrong in our game.
You punish people actually for some mysterious bans,waiting for them to prove you something unproveable.
This is the beauty of private servers, no? you get to run and administer them how you want to or see fit. Like apple said, there are plenty more servers they will be able to play in so there's really no injustice or punishment, just an admin keeping his server as clean as possible for the players who play there without such a rep, he can only be sorry for whatever reason a person got that VAC ban originally.
I highly doubt there's such a thing as a mysterious ban, if its a mistaken ban, they should appeal it themselves through Steam channels.
If anything it makes clean players want, or enjoy to play there knowing its as safe as is possible
The problem with VAC Ban is that it does not show for what you got it.
Thats the point.... So why not allow him to play AAPG!? Until he really does something wrong in our game.
You punish people actually for some mysterious bans,waiting for them to prove you something unproveable.
It is quite provable actually, he/she can show me for what he got that VAC ban and in what game for that matter..
+1 on Soldierbobs argument.
Why should he,whats your business with his steam details,you should prove that he is doing something fishy in this game /on your server if you want excuses not to let people play on your server,not that you need proof, heared plenty of friends complaining about the no reason no proof kicks on your server,i also read your witch hunt topics on the ACI forum based on 14-1 KD match screenshots,i don't care if you paid for it,stole the money from your parents credit card or begged people on the street for it,money is no excuse to misuse the little virtual power that is given to you on the internet.It's causing harm to this game,this topic is all about you hands down Apllepie.
Don't get me wrong,i hate cheaters ,don't miss a chance to voice my opinion ,present proof and bring down someone i'm convinced of cheating,but theres another side to the story,the story where admins on rented servers play small gods thinking money justifies everything what they do as in kick/ban accuse and start an endless wave of rumours about innocent and legit players.
P.s. what you write in this topic is completly different to what you write on ACI.The right word for you would be beeing a hypocrite.
Well BCPull I know we actually think the same way but you cherry pick the numbers here, to prove a point. You talk about all registered accounts for a free game and use this number for your calculation, but by a simple BG Check I found that the OP for this thread has already 8 accounts (go figure why?) So I am sure the number are way higher statistically. And from my personal experience I can say I encountered (as server admin) more blant TOS Vilolaters during the last 3 months of AAPG than I did in the first 3 years of AA Brand early 2000s. And the playerbase is way smaller than it was back in the day. And at any given day active playerbase is max 2000 ppl for AAPG. You know with your math, I could go and say.. hmm 2000/500 and come up with a ridiculous high rate or TOS violators
Do you know how many other people OP lives with that also play this game? He doesn't have 8 different accounts. In any case, some players having multiple accounts isn't going to really flavor the % of caught players. It's a small effect.
Active playerbase of 2000 -- where are you getting that from? The game gets 30,000+ uniques in two weeks. That's over 2,000 uniques per day even if each of those players only plays on one day every two weeks. In any case, ban stats are over a game's lifespan so you compare the count to the total accounts for the game, not to current playerbase. If you compare the ban total to current playerbase, BF3 must be 500% full of dirty players...
I also highly doubt there are more dirty players in 3 months of AAPG than 3 years of AA2. I suspect that's the rose-colored glasses talking.
My main concern with the VAC topic is that there's no statute of limitations. It at least used to be that a caught player could still become an ACI member if they'd gone clean for 3 years (who knows what current policy is); players could learn their lesson. But the cross-game VAC system? I've seen players kicked for a VAC ban from 7 or 8 years ago. That player's stayed on the same Steam account and owned up to their past, but this system encourages them to hide their history and create a new account just so they can play. The only people that "win" in that situation are ACI because it creates a need for their service (to try to link the accounts) that wouldn't otherwise exist.
I agree with Dem@n -- paying for a server shouldn't be a license for admins to kick however they see fit or do whatever they want.
I would say it is a mix of 1 and 2. ACi and PBBans are doing a great job, but we as a community need to do a better job ourselves. And that starts by reporting suspect players to ACi/PBBans and the server owner, and proving appropriate proof. Screaming in the server or repeatedly messaging the admin on Steam or whatever other place is not reporting.
ACi and PBBans have forums. Servers have normally contact info available on the server info page or in the scrolling messages. Players need to take the time to submit the info, so that it can be processed correctly.
"ACI is doing a good job but the community needs to do a better job". Now find the contradiction.
There is no contradiction. ACi is a community organisation run by volunteers, but how many of the current AAPG players have logged in once or have even an account? This includes PBBans by the way
The problem with VAC Ban is that it does not show for what you got it.
Thats the point.... So why not allow him to play AAPG!? Until he really does something wrong in our game.
You punish people actually for some mysterious bans,waiting for them to prove you something unproveable.
It is quite provable actually, he/she can show me for what he got that VAC ban and in what game for that matter..
+1 on Soldierbobs argument.
Why should he,whats your business with his steam details,you should prove that he is doing something fishy in this game /on your server if you want excuses not to let people play on your server,not that you need proof, heared plenty of friends complaining about the no reason no proof kicks on your server,i also read your witch hunt topics on the ACI forum based on 14-1 KD match screenshots,i don't care if you paid for it,stole the money from your parents credit card or begged people on the street for it,money is no excuse to misuse the little virtual power that is given to you on the internet.It's causing harm to this game,this topic is all about you hands down Apllepie.
Don't get me wrong,i hate cheaters ,don't miss a chance to voice my opinion ,present proof and bring down someone i'm convinced of cheating,but theres another side to the story,the story where admins on rented servers play small gods thinking money justifies everything what they do as in kick/ban accuse and start an endless wave of rumours about innocent and legit players.
P.s. what you write in this topic is completly different to what you write on ACI.The right word for you would be beeing a hypocrite.
Dear Dem@n, I have been reading your arguments and posts for a long time both here and on ACI forums.
If there is anyone who could be called hypocrite it is you, and you have been called this on uncountable occasions with lots of proof behind it. I really do not know what your problem is, but you clearly show some symptoms for it.
But I will take time to go through your arguments:
1- Well his steam details might not be my business if he chose to go and play on another server he does not have to provide me any details. But if he has a VAC banned account, than I do not need to give any more reasons why I do NOT want him on my server.. Period
2- You say a lot of your friends complain about being banned from my server.. please do name them.. Cos the ones I did actually ban (the one our good .ek buddy was complaining about) is not your friend at all.. you bash him everywhere yourself.. So double standards or hypocrisy again.
3- You are attacking me personally by making stupid comments about where I found the money to run a server etc.. Well to be honest this kinda argumentation shows only your intelligence or anti social character.. I am not misusing any virtual powers.. It is completely in my right to allow who plays or not plays on the server I pay for.. If you don't like it.. go somewhere else simple..
4- This topic is simply not about me.. cos the OP has never ever played on our server.. so you are wrong again. I decided to show the other side of the coin as server admin. And of course as any server admin, there will be some pissed players out there trying bash me or talk [TOS Violation] about why they got banned on our server. But I can dig up 1000 more posts or threads about you De@mon.. and what the majority of AA community thinks about you and your .ek clan.. so please don't start a flaming war you can not win..
5- If you all so hate these badmins.. I wonder why dont you guys get a server yourselves and invite all the non cheating players and have a barbeque?? You seem to have the time and the money, hence your gaming time in the last 2 years... why go official all the time?? Or if you have a server, why is it not full like ours? If I am doing such a bad job as admin, scaring all the innocent good hearted players.. why our server is on top 10 since 2 months??
6- Where did I start endless rumors about anyone?? Did I name and shame anyone on this topic until you actually personally attacked me? NO.. Now if you go and talk about an ACI BG Check post.. well ACI is there for something.. and funny thing you just posted a BG Check thread yourself with the same reasons you give me about accusing innocent people.. So I guess you really do have some kinda personality disorder..
Well BCPull I know we actually think the same way but you cherry pick the numbers here, to prove a point. You talk about all registered accounts for a free game and use this number for your calculation, but by a simple BG Check I found that the OP for this thread has already 8 accounts (go figure why?) So I am sure the number are way higher statistically. And from my personal experience I can say I encountered (as server admin) more blant TOS Vilolaters during the last 3 months of AAPG than I did in the first 3 years of AA Brand early 2000s. And the playerbase is way smaller than it was back in the day. And at any given day active playerbase is max 2000 ppl for AAPG. You know with your math, I could go and say.. hmm 2000/500 and come up with a ridiculous high rate or TOS violators
Do you know how many other people OP lives with that also play this game? He doesn't have 8 different accounts. In any case, some players having multiple accounts isn't going to really flavor the % of caught players. It's a small effect.
Active playerbase of 2000 -- where are you getting that from? The game gets 30,000+ uniques in two weeks. That's over 2,000 uniques per day even if each of those players only plays on one day every two weeks. In any case, ban stats are over a game's lifespan so you compare the count to the total accounts for the game, not to current playerbase. If you compare the ban total to current playerbase, BF3 must be 500% full of dirty players...
I also highly doubt there are more dirty players in 3 months of AAPG than 3 years of AA2. I suspect that's the rose-colored glasses talking.
My main concern with the VAC topic is that there's no statute of limitations. It at least used to be that a caught player could still become an ACI member if they'd gone clean for 3 years (who knows what current policy is); players could learn their lesson. But the cross-game VAC system? I've seen players kicked for a VAC ban from 7 or 8 years ago. That player's stayed on the same Steam account and owned up to their past, but this system encourages them to hide their history and create a new account just so they can play. The only people that "win" in that situation are ACI because it creates a need for their service (to try to link the accounts) that wouldn't otherwise exist.
I agree with Dem@n -- paying for a server shouldn't be a license for admins to kick however they see fit or do whatever they want.
BCPull I said 2000 active players daily.. and you posted the same number.. so we are not talking about 2 different things.. And I said by that logic.. and you know (i hope) that your first calculation was also nonsense cos you took as ceiling all registered accounts for this game. And you know as well as I do, how many 2nd, 3rd or more accounts ppl are using in this game. On top of that, there a great number of players who never touched the game after initial registration and try out for 1-2 hours.
To go further you also know, that banned players dont waste a second to create another account and keep on playing again.. so from this point.. your initialy percentage was completely off the reality out there.
Your concern about VAC is another issue, the system may not be perfect, nor can I always see the Ban reason. But.. this is where it becomes my personal judgment as admin, I do not wanna waste my time to go and find out each and every VAC reason to decide if the said player actually was innocent or should have had a grace period. I am not doing this full time.. And I wanna keep the server as clean as possible.
So if some innocent haxxors also get caught in the net.. I am sorry, but they should than take the time to contact me for a ban appeal.. there is nothing wrong with this approach IMO
Regarding your opinion about server admins, I can only respect it as a different opinion. I do not share that opinion. No need to argue about this i guess?
My previous post did not appear at all. In response to Necabo, there is no contradiction between ACi and the community. ACi is a community organisation run by volunteers, but how many of the current AAPG players have logged in once or have even an account? This includes PBBans by the way.
To both Demon and Pie, enough with personal attacks. This thread is not about you, so don't turn it into personal attacks. Thank you
2.Friends from other clans,competition players,people you started your witch hunt topics on,my friends from my community for picking a side in a running game???For playing Defence???is that even a reason in this game?
3.i don't care where you got the money for your server,i pointed out the fact that paying for it does not give you the powers to do whatever you want without consequence,stating my opinion is one of them.
4.This topic is about legit people fed up beeing called cheaters and beeing accused for playing this game good on a different "higher" level than the average players.
5.Don't worry reputation of private servers don't change,they come and go.Why official,couse it's fun to play something else than inner hospital 24/7.
6.Asked for a background check on a player i found playing weird against me with a fake name second account,Two weeks later a compromising video recording shows up and want to find out if the two are the same.Thats what background checks are for.
Everything else you wrote and everything else you will write after my reply i can borrow you my phone and you can call someone who cares.
My previous post did not appear at all. In response to Necabo, there is no contradiction between ACi and the community. ACi is a community organisation run by volunteers, but how many of the current AAPG players have logged in once or have even an account? This includes PBBans by the way.
To both Demon and Pie, enough with personal attacks. This thread is not about you, so don't turn it into personal attacks. Thank you
You are right... it is really stupid and not productive to even reply to this troll on forums..
People are being accused of cheating and some admins ban them without reason and this is a big problem for this game is the general opinion of the OP
so how can this be resolved?
1- How can you really prove of cheating unless the player is already banned via PB?
2- If a player plays fishy or very good, and you do a BG check and find a VAC banned account, what does this say to you as admin?
3- Lets say you wanna record the player, how long of a video is enough, so no one can claim, it was luck, intuition of a good player, before many other players on your server are getting wrecked by a haxxor?
My initial problem was with the fact that the tread was one sided. I can understand if a good player who is clean gets accused and banned from many servers, that he will be very pissed about it.
But on the other hand how can admin do his job to keep a server clean? How much time he can invest to investigate innocence or guilt of a player??
As many would witness, I am not an admin who bans ppl without any reason (although some might argue otherwise) and I take my time for finding enough proof before initial ban. Still I am being attacked by some for being a badmin here on the forums..
How should an admin feel about this?
IMO all should consider boths sides of the story before judging something or generalizing stuff. Because not all players who are accused are haxxors and not all players who are banned are clean..
I am not going into other subjects like how an admin wants his server to be run..
Lets say you want unstacked teams, and kick ppl for stacking
Lets say you dont want ppl to use fault language on voip
Lets say you dont want m24 on inner etc..
I thinks this should be in the rights of an admin for a server he actually pays for others to play the game we love to play. But this is a personal opinion or taste, and its non sense to talk about taste differences.
In looking at my server stats on ACi, I found that after 1 month of activity, the server had a total of 1689 logins (as of today), with only 6 VAC kicks. I know it is not much of a sampler size, but I am not seeing much of a problem.
Pie, the solution to your questions is very simple (already posted it by the way). Players (including admins) need to stop being lazy and commit to the game by taking the time to submit the appropriate information to ACi, PBBans and the appropriate server admin. Let ACi, PBBans and the server admin investigate and issue a ban if needed. And if the server admin is not sure, then he can ask ACi/PBBans for help.
If a player is banned and wants to appeal, well it is up to that player to post a ban appeal on ACi, PBBans or on the server website.
I would say it is a mix of 1 and 2. ACi and PBBans are doing a great job, but we as a community need to do a better job ourselves. And that starts by reporting suspect players to ACi/PBBans and the server owner, and proving appropriate proof. Screaming in the server or repeatedly messaging the admin on Steam or whatever other place is not reporting.
ACi and PBBans have forums. Servers have normally contact info available on the server info page or in the scrolling messages. Players need to take the time to submit the info, so that it can be processed correctly.
"ACI is doing a good job but the community needs to do a better job". Now find the contradiction.
There is no contradiction. ACi is a community organisation run by volunteers, but how many of the current AAPG players have logged in once or have even an account? This includes PBBans by the way
I hope you realize that it is the community reporting people and screenshots to ACI. I once asked the ACI staff for an opinion for a video and got assured they can do that, they never got back to me. I hope they'll include demorecs when it's out so I can respect their work again.
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Well BCPull I know we actually think the same way but you cherry pick the numbers here, to prove a point. You talk about all registered accounts for a free game and use this number for your calculation, but by a simple BG Check I found that the OP for this thread has already 8 accounts (go figure why?) So I am sure the number are way higher statistically. And from my personal experience I can say I encountered (as server admin) more blant TOS Vilolaters during the last 3 months of AAPG than I did in the first 3 years of AA Brand early 2000s. And the playerbase is way smaller than it was back in the day. And at any given day active playerbase is max 2000 ppl for AAPG. You know with your math, I could go and say.. hmm 2000/500 and come up with a ridiculous high rate or TOS violators
Well I do disagree with this. Sure like Kill@ said there are ridiculous reasons to get a VAC ban, but its an indication for an admin. And the majority of the VAC bans are not for ridiculous reasons. So my credo is simple. If the player likes to use TOS violation in another online game, for me he is not trustworthy, period. I will not waste my time to go around spectate him for longer period (yeah funny me, I do this to really collect evidence). He can simply take his account to some other server in which no one does care about his past.
Off topic:
Actually my eyes were always open. And I am sure you know better than me what many of your fellow comp brothers think about you.
So you did get kicked cos I don't like this kinda attitude/ player mentality on my server. (hope this does not get deleted my mod- I am simply telling my opinion here)
Back to topic:
I see a problem in general that there is a huge mistrust in this game at the moment. But there is no need to stigmatize admins or badmins for it. Its just the fact that so many know how easy it is to find and use some TOS Violation Software, and ppl are being very rude to each other for other reasons, bashing each other all the time. People care more about their fragrates than teamplay, people try to find any glitch in the game to get an advantage over others, and of course badmins banning ppl without enough proof because their egos are hurt..
But on the other side, I have seen many top comp players leaving in the last round or rage quitting way early if they start to have a bad K/D ration during a match. Cause they (like the badmins) have faulty ego, and would like to bring home their tailored match win ratios.
Still I do agree, that if you ban a player for a legit reason, you shouldn't be rude about it. I try to do this myself, many times it works well, in other times.. yeah I also lack the Budha wisdom and answer back in voip if the players is being a D!ckhead.
Cheers,
ApplePIE
I would partly agree if it would be in multiplayer games only,because it "harms" other players.Since steam is all about "online gaming",i just cant.F.e. even me used a "money creator" in need for speed singleplayer a few years ago ( long before i installed steam ) just to be able to drive the nice cars without playing hundreds of hours.And i didnt felt bad at all....doesnt mean i would cheat in a multiplayer game.According to the ACI kicklist of your server you just block a huge amount of players without even knowing what they did wrong (and like i said,for actions not related to aapg). And since you cant say what happend because VAC doesnt prove anything,imo the rule should be : Innocent till proven guilty.
Im just saying....but bypassing the language filter is also a tos violation
I know
well I should have said it clearer. I meant multiplayer online gaming. I also used some god mode on older single player games (well most of the stuff was already integrated into game anyways)
The problem with VAC Ban is that it does not show for what you got it. The problem is, if the player is playing AAPG with a VAC banned account. I do not have time to go out there and look further if he did it for something silly or not. But it would be a nice research to see, what kinda games those ppl on our VAC kicked list play in general. From my usual BG checks mostly fps players also have other fps games on their steam profile.
Lets say a player is auto kicked for a VAC ban, he can still appeal for it, if the VAC ban was for something silly like skin violation etc, we would reconsider the ban. In this case he should show me that he is in fact innocent, not other way around. But again this is my opinion and how I like to run my server. Others might have different opinions as well, I will not judge them for it.
Thats the point.... So why not allow him to play AAPG!? Until he really does something wrong in our game.
You punish people actually for some mysterious bans,waiting for them to prove you something unproveable.
This is the beauty of private servers, no? you get to run and administer them how you want to or see fit. Like apple said, there are plenty more servers they will be able to play in so there's really no injustice or punishment, just an admin keeping his server as clean as possible for the players who play there without such a rep, he can only be sorry for whatever reason a person got that VAC ban originally.
I highly doubt there's such a thing as a mysterious ban, if its a mistaken ban, they should appeal it themselves through Steam channels.
If anything it makes clean players want, or enjoy to play there knowing its as safe as is possible
It is quite provable actually, he/she can show me for what he got that VAC ban and in what game for that matter..
+1 on Soldierbobs argument.
Don't get me wrong,i hate cheaters ,don't miss a chance to voice my opinion ,present proof and bring down someone i'm convinced of cheating,but theres another side to the story,the story where admins on rented servers play small gods thinking money justifies everything what they do as in kick/ban accuse and start an endless wave of rumours about innocent and legit players.
P.s. what you write in this topic is completly different to what you write on ACI.The right word for you would be beeing a hypocrite.
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Active playerbase of 2000 -- where are you getting that from? The game gets 30,000+ uniques in two weeks. That's over 2,000 uniques per day even if each of those players only plays on one day every two weeks. In any case, ban stats are over a game's lifespan so you compare the count to the total accounts for the game, not to current playerbase. If you compare the ban total to current playerbase, BF3 must be 500% full of dirty players...
I also highly doubt there are more dirty players in 3 months of AAPG than 3 years of AA2. I suspect that's the rose-colored glasses talking.
My main concern with the VAC topic is that there's no statute of limitations. It at least used to be that a caught player could still become an ACI member if they'd gone clean for 3 years (who knows what current policy is); players could learn their lesson. But the cross-game VAC system? I've seen players kicked for a VAC ban from 7 or 8 years ago. That player's stayed on the same Steam account and owned up to their past, but this system encourages them to hide their history and create a new account just so they can play. The only people that "win" in that situation are ACI because it creates a need for their service (to try to link the accounts) that wouldn't otherwise exist.
I agree with Dem@n -- paying for a server shouldn't be a license for admins to kick however they see fit or do whatever they want.
Dear Dem@n, I have been reading your arguments and posts for a long time both here and on ACI forums.
If there is anyone who could be called hypocrite it is you, and you have been called this on uncountable occasions with lots of proof behind it. I really do not know what your problem is, but you clearly show some symptoms for it.
But I will take time to go through your arguments:
1- Well his steam details might not be my business if he chose to go and play on another server he does not have to provide me any details. But if he has a VAC banned account, than I do not need to give any more reasons why I do NOT want him on my server.. Period
2- You say a lot of your friends complain about being banned from my server.. please do name them.. Cos the ones I did actually ban (the one our good .ek buddy was complaining about) is not your friend at all.. you bash him everywhere yourself.. So double standards or hypocrisy again.
3- You are attacking me personally by making stupid comments about where I found the money to run a server etc.. Well to be honest this kinda argumentation shows only your intelligence or anti social character.. I am not misusing any virtual powers.. It is completely in my right to allow who plays or not plays on the server I pay for.. If you don't like it.. go somewhere else simple..
4- This topic is simply not about me.. cos the OP has never ever played on our server.. so you are wrong again. I decided to show the other side of the coin as server admin. And of course as any server admin, there will be some pissed players out there trying bash me or talk [TOS Violation] about why they got banned on our server. But I can dig up 1000 more posts or threads about you De@mon.. and what the majority of AA community thinks about you and your .ek clan.. so please don't start a flaming war you can not win..
5- If you all so hate these badmins.. I wonder why dont you guys get a server yourselves and invite all the non cheating players and have a barbeque?? You seem to have the time and the money, hence your gaming time in the last 2 years... why go official all the time?? Or if you have a server, why is it not full like ours? If I am doing such a bad job as admin, scaring all the innocent good hearted players.. why our server is on top 10 since 2 months??
6- Where did I start endless rumors about anyone?? Did I name and shame anyone on this topic until you actually personally attacked me? NO.. Now if you go and talk about an ACI BG Check post.. well ACI is there for something.. and funny thing you just posted a BG Check thread yourself with the same reasons you give me about accusing innocent people.. So I guess you really do have some kinda personality disorder..
BCPull I said 2000 active players daily.. and you posted the same number.. so we are not talking about 2 different things.. And I said by that logic.. and you know (i hope) that your first calculation was also nonsense cos you took as ceiling all registered accounts for this game. And you know as well as I do, how many 2nd, 3rd or more accounts ppl are using in this game. On top of that, there a great number of players who never touched the game after initial registration and try out for 1-2 hours.
To go further you also know, that banned players dont waste a second to create another account and keep on playing again.. so from this point.. your initialy percentage was completely off the reality out there.
Your concern about VAC is another issue, the system may not be perfect, nor can I always see the Ban reason. But.. this is where it becomes my personal judgment as admin, I do not wanna waste my time to go and find out each and every VAC reason to decide if the said player actually was innocent or should have had a grace period. I am not doing this full time.. And I wanna keep the server as clean as possible.
So if some innocent haxxors also get caught in the net.. I am sorry, but they should than take the time to contact me for a ban appeal.. there is nothing wrong with this approach IMO
Regarding your opinion about server admins, I can only respect it as a different opinion. I do not share that opinion. No need to argue about this i guess?
Cheers,
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To both Demon and Pie, enough with personal attacks. This thread is not about you, so don't turn it into personal attacks. Thank you
2.Friends from other clans,competition players,people you started your witch hunt topics on,my friends from my community for picking a side in a running game???For playing Defence???is that even a reason in this game?
3.i don't care where you got the money for your server,i pointed out the fact that paying for it does not give you the powers to do whatever you want without consequence,stating my opinion is one of them.
4.This topic is about legit people fed up beeing called cheaters and beeing accused for playing this game good on a different "higher" level than the average players.
5.Don't worry reputation of private servers don't change,they come and go.Why official,couse it's fun to play something else than inner hospital 24/7.
6.Asked for a background check on a player i found playing weird against me with a fake name second account,Two weeks later a compromising video recording shows up and want to find out if the two are the same.Thats what background checks are for.
Everything else you wrote and everything else you will write after my reply i can borrow you my phone and you can call someone who cares.
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You are right... it is really stupid and not productive to even reply to this troll on forums..
I will stick with the Subject..
People are being accused of cheating and some admins ban them without reason and this is a big problem for this game is the general opinion of the OP
so how can this be resolved?
1- How can you really prove of cheating unless the player is already banned via PB?
2- If a player plays fishy or very good, and you do a BG check and find a VAC banned account, what does this say to you as admin?
3- Lets say you wanna record the player, how long of a video is enough, so no one can claim, it was luck, intuition of a good player, before many other players on your server are getting wrecked by a haxxor?
My initial problem was with the fact that the tread was one sided. I can understand if a good player who is clean gets accused and banned from many servers, that he will be very pissed about it.
But on the other hand how can admin do his job to keep a server clean? How much time he can invest to investigate innocence or guilt of a player??
As many would witness, I am not an admin who bans ppl without any reason (although some might argue otherwise) and I take my time for finding enough proof before initial ban. Still I am being attacked by some for being a badmin here on the forums..
How should an admin feel about this?
IMO all should consider boths sides of the story before judging something or generalizing stuff. Because not all players who are accused are haxxors and not all players who are banned are clean..
I am not going into other subjects like how an admin wants his server to be run..
Lets say you want unstacked teams, and kick ppl for stacking
Lets say you dont want ppl to use fault language on voip
Lets say you dont want m24 on inner etc..
I thinks this should be in the rights of an admin for a server he actually pays for others to play the game we love to play. But this is a personal opinion or taste, and its non sense to talk about taste differences.
8 years ago he was maybe 14 years old and cheated. Today, 8 years later, he's 22 years old and matured as a player and are very good without cheat...?
It's now banned after the
latest update.
Pie, the solution to your questions is very simple (already posted it by the way). Players (including admins) need to stop being lazy and commit to the game by taking the time to submit the appropriate information to ACi, PBBans and the appropriate server admin. Let ACi, PBBans and the server admin investigate and issue a ban if needed. And if the server admin is not sure, then he can ask ACi/PBBans for help.
If a player is banned and wants to appeal, well it is up to that player to post a ban appeal on ACi, PBBans or on the server website.
I love this community!