Banned for cheating, even if you just played normally ?
Howie_Munson
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I know I could just move on after getting kicked from the "server", but playing on their server since weeks, beeing an honest army player since 2004, I feel quite bad, getting suddenly accused of using "macros", just for beeing good in drunk mode. 
The admin was either a drunk legend (like the rest of the players) or fully convinced I was using macros.
Just wanted to say, after 13 years of army, this was my 1st kick/ban...and it does not feel good.
Anyway, great game, great community. Just a bad evening...I hope...
Who else got banned/accused of cheats for just playing like always ?
The admin was either a drunk legend (like the rest of the players) or fully convinced I was using macros.
Just wanted to say, after 13 years of army, this was my 1st kick/ban...and it does not feel good.
Anyway, great game, great community. Just a bad evening...I hope...
Who else got banned/accused of cheats for just playing like always ?
Got banned for cheating, even if you just played normally ?
- Got banned/accused for cheating, even if you just played normally ?23 votes
- YES86.96%
- NO13.04%
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It was my 1st kick/ban after 13 years of playing this game, else I wouldnt have posted.
I hear these accusations on a daily basis, when other players are "too good", but never got accused myself.
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Whatever, no matter what I would have written...his decision was final.
But yes, it feels awkward somehow, when others are sure you were cheating and
I start to understand why some individuals get angry and insulting when beeing accused of cheating...even if you shouldnt do that at all.
It's up to you how you choose to handle it, I tend to just add the offending server to my note pad here on my desk and avoid it in the future like the plague, I did try the whole appeals route a few times in the past but honestly I cant be bothered to do it any more and not only that, why on earth should I mess about and waste my time, begging and pleading innocence, especially when I've done nothing wrong?
nah.. not anymore.
This is also why higher skill players should stop cherry picking and play against people of the same level. Another alternative is for good players to mentor the new players and teach them how to be better.
Even I'M at the point where I realize my good plays are looking hokey, and I HATE that feeling. (And I'm not even a really good player....)
I have no idea how to find a server full of good and challenging opponents so I'm not farming the new people and driving them away.
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There's an average of 530 people on this game at any given time, and factoring in location differences(I don't play in foreign servers, can't stand playing with a ping >110/120, feels way too jumpy for me), so trying to pick and choose who you play with if you actually want to play isn't the easiest thing to do. We try and get pugs/scrims going, but really that's come down to a once or twice a week(if that) thing with how much the comp community has died. And for whatever it's worth, most of my steam friends list that still plays this game is a comp player or former comp player and I do generally try to play with them if I see them on, but again that's not always a guarantee.
Teaching players only goes so far. I offer tips when I can, but there's only so much any player can teach another. One aspect is repetition. I get called a hacker on inner hospital servers so much that I think it's my name at this point(thankfully I've made friends with at least most of the admins in these servers), but the reality of it is that my in game "IQ" on that map is second to none. Of the like 2,000 hours I've put in this game, over half of it has come on that map. I pretty much know what enemy team players are going to do before they know it, I've seen pretty much every scenario play out on the map. There's times where there's no obvious reason I should know a player is going to peak east choke but I do and get the kill anyway because I expect it from having played so long. For some admins this isn't an acceptable answer and to them I'm just walling.
I know every corner to prefire and exactly when and where to prefire it. I know how to fend off rushes on every part of the map, I know how to break the defense on every part of the map, I know what spots to sit/stand at to listen to key parts of the map(an example being standing on top of lobby desk lets you hear atrium, surgery/surgery hall and north stairs, while keeping an eye on west choke, meaning the only way you can be taken by surprise is if you're shot at from garden, and just general awareness lets you know if Garden is lost or not).
If anyone asks how or why I do something I'll answer them, but the fact is they're not going to be able to pull off anything similar until they do it/practice it themselves.
Another aspect is reflexes. My shot is terrible, maybe the worst in comp. Certainly up there(down there? lawl) at least. But I get by in pubs just fine because I react far quicker than 95%+ of the pub-only players. Players that crouch walk around every where, don't understand the concept of quick peaking, sit in common spots/corners that make them susceptible to quick peak shots/jump shots, etc.
I can teach them that recoil goes up and to the right and down and to the left is how you can control it, I can teach them not to sit in common spots, I can teach them what quick peaking is/how to do it, but I can't teach them how to react quicker, that's on them practicing.
Speaking of teaching players, one thing that kills the want to do that is when they automatically blast you with the "you're hacking!!!" accusation. The very few times someone gets upset with how they died when playing me and instead of accusing me of hacking, asks me how it happened, I'll always explain. Sadly that's a rarity, and when I used to try and explain even to the accusers, 99% of the time it was "yeah I bet" or some other condescending answer. Now I just roll with it. Call me a hacker? "Yup, you caught me. 2,000 hours in this game and I just hadn't been caught yet, but I'm screwed now that you know"
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I think you are right. I have seen people with quick reflexes get accused of hacking/cheating a lot, even if they aren't a very good shot or even a very good player. Knowing the map well also causes people to think someone is cheating.
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My biggest 'cheat' is good headphones and knowing all the sounds of the different materials. I can tell EXACTLY where a player is and that probably looks pretty suspect.........
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This made me laugh, most players play this game for fun and are not going to waste time to find matching players which in this game are most likely 5 or less that are left. And mentoring new players? the only thing you can teach them is the maps, or how to shoot.. The rest, the skill, you can't teach new players that. You either have it or you don't.
About mentoring: if anyone asks me to help him, I will - and it will probably be somewhat effective, as the player is motivated to learn. Sometimes (if I'm in the mood) when I'm the last player I commentate my actions as some sort of explanation - however, there is way more going in my head than I could say. (Sometimes I think I could go on for ~3 minutes of talking why I'm making a certain decision.)
What good players can and should do IMO is helping the weaker team. I do this myself a lot (quite noticeable on my round W/L). I get my butt kicked a lot, but when I'm able to turn a match it's a great feeling. But the problem is, that you can't do this always. If you are tired and just want some fun, you don't want to tryhard up against a 5-man clan...
Always funny to read stuff like this when it's really just a few (not actually good players usually) doing this. How do you even have a choice playing against good players if everything that's left are official servers?
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Over 2k Golden Hawkeyes.
Yes, there aren't a lot of players, that's true. But I think my point still stands. If you play against newer or lower skilled players who don't know what's possible, then of course there will be problems. (ESPECIALLY if you like your 10:1 kdr)
I'm just speaking the truth. Those people live in their bubble, and good players live in their's.
And mentoring is as much about generating good will as it is upping the level.
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The issue with being accused of 'better play' is that a player IS playing better than the people who don't understand HOW. In what way am I wrong?
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You are wrong in thinking that it's the better player's choice to play against worse players when it's really them suffering by getting banned left, right and center. It should be pretty clear there is something seriously wrong with those accusing, insulting and raging over someone better better at a video game but nope, better players should stop ruining their experience of course. It feels almost like a crime being good at something nowadays.
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@ OP
Good luck contacting the admins . I personally think it is just a waste of time.
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You should just chalk it up as a loss. I personally try to be friends with the admins so I do not have to go through that ordeal. They know how I play, seen me at my worst, and my best. If I randomly join a new server because a friend is in it and nobody knows me, I may get accused (if I play well that day). But oh well. Punkbuster, Twitchr, and God know I don't hack so I am chill. LOL.
Plot twist ... claiming how god-given YOU are while screaming ingame how everyone else is a noob and sux doesnt help to stay on a server at all.