If you are playing on a full hd monitor, then you are not playing @4K this is a misconception of what DSR does.
What you get is that your GPU renders the image in 4K resolution and down-samples it to full hd.
This way you get a slightly better quality image @1080p then you could have gotten if you rendered directly full hd without going through DSR.
But looks like the marketing department of Nvidia did a great job that so many ppl actually believe they are in fact seing 4K on non 4K monitors..
I think it's preety obvious that is not the same playing at 4K via DSR on a 1080p monitor than playing at 4K on a 4K monitor quality wise, but the results on FPS count are the same than playing on an actual 4K monitor. The OP asked about what PC config is needed to play this game at 4K, and I answered that question.
If you are playing on a full hd monitor, then you are not playing @4K this is a misconception of what DSR does.
What you get is that your GPU renders the image in 4K resolution and down-samples it to full hd.
This way you get a slightly better quality image @1080p then you could have gotten if you rendered directly full hd without going through DSR.
But looks like the marketing department of Nvidia did a great job that so many ppl actually believe they are in fact seing 4K on non 4K monitors..
I think it's preety obvious that is not the same playing at 4K via DSR on a 1080p monitor than playing at 4K on a 4K monitor quality wise, but the results on FPS count are the same than playing on an actual 4K monitor. The OP asked about what PC config is needed to play this game at 4K, and I answered that question.
Sorry if my english is not clear enough.
No you are correct about the FPS count. Since it renders @4K
actually it can even be lower cos down-sampling might also lower the FPS count a little.
I thought you were answering about the DSR discussion.
Some TV stations here don't even broadcast a 1080 HD channel yet.. even after all these years, I dread to think how long it would take them to start broadcasting in 4K. So I guess it's more targeted to Movies? Are they shooting in 4K? Is it going to be common? Only used for box office hits?.. and of course there is gamers but even then I assume you gotta have the hardware to push acceptable framerates at that resolution right? Big money GPU's just to scrounge a measly 30-60 FPS? What about consoles? Can they do 4K? All that and not even mentioned price of the screen, not cheap right?
I'll probably just do what I did/do with any other new tech, wait for prices to drop and for it to all become somewhat normal to own and not exclusively aimed for the elite user who only settles for the very best. I've never been the first inline for grabbing new tech, just not that fortunate or rich.. Just wondering if its all its cracked up to be, there was BIG interest and marketing pushes over '3D Tv's and monitors' and I've still not got a 3D TV/monitor even though they are cheap as chips these days
If my trollery drives you crazy, you'd better put on your seatbelt.
Some TV stations here don't even broadcast a 1080 HD channel yet.. even after all these years, I dread to think how long it would take them to start broadcasting in 4K. So I guess it's more targeted to Movies? Are they shooting in 4K? Is it going to be common? Only used for box office hits?.. and of course there is gamers but even then I assume you gotta have the hardware to push acceptable framerates at that resolution right? Big money GPU's just to scrounge a measly 30-60 FPS? What about consoles? Can they do 4K? All that and not even mentioned price of the screen, not cheap right?
I'll probably just do what I did/do with any other new tech, wait for prices to drop and for it to all become somewhat normal to own and not exclusively aimed for the elite user who only settles for the very best. I've never been the first inline for grabbing new tech, just not that fortunate or rich.. Just wondering if its all its cracked up to be, there was BIG interest and marketing pushes over '3D Tv's and monitors' and I've still not got a 3D TV/monitor even though they are cheap as chips these days
My parents have a 4K Curver 3D TV its awesome. Lots of TV Shows on available in 4K on netflixs. The OLYMPICS IN 2020 is suppose to broadcast in 4K. Most cable companys offer atleast 1080i atm and some even offer 1080p. It took them a long time because you had to put new cables in the ground and all that to support 1080p. For 4K I don't think this will be the case and we should have 4K TV broadcasting within 5 years.
PSS : btw with one picture you can prove me all wrong.. lets wait and see if that thing ever comes
EDIT: your input about no limits on resolution is not correct. It only lifts the limitation on vertical resolution but not on horizontal. Therefore you can not have what you think you have.
I'm only responding to help teach you and maybe help you be able to open your mind and learn from others, one can not succeed at life if entrenched in their EGO and can't let go of inaccuracies in their knowledge.
Here is your EDIT answer for the 2nd time:
Dot pitch measurement does not apply to aperture grille displays. Such monitors use continuous vertical phosphors band on the screen, so the vertical distance between scan lines is <font size="3" color="red">( Real important part here read 3 times )</font> limited only by video input signal's vertical resolution.
Adding this since google and the internet are of no use to you:
Aperture-grill
Monitors based on the Trinitron technology, which was pioneered by Sony, use an aperture-grill instead of a shadow-mask type of tube. The aperture grill consists of tiny vertical wires. Electron beams pass through the aperture grill to illuminate the phosphor on the faceplate. Most aperture-grill monitors have a flat faceplate and tend to represent a less distorted image over the entire surface of the display than the curved faceplate of a shadow-mask CRT. However, aperture-grill displays are normally more expensive.
And here is your picture next to the 1080 acer:
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Running sweet 5k at 80 hz. An yes on the FW900 that is full 5k with inspector on a 580 the madness!
The most uneducated thing about your posts is you let go of the most elusive, expensive, rarest monitor in all history of the technology for a LCD screen? and in 2008 those screens sucked bad. If you was any kinda video professional you would have know what you purchased and never let go.
Hope this puts an end to your misinformation campaign with our forums users.. FYI the Americas Army community is an older more educated crowd. We don't take kindly to people misinforming our community anyone can google and see how wrong your are.. ( on FW900 ) but your ego won't allow you to concede.
I can not help you Bam cause you are way to stubborn for facts.
Lets start with personal part (where you claim to know better than me what I did back then)
1- the flat monitors (Dell UltraSharp 3007WFPs) I bought back in 2008 were both color calibrated and took 1/4 of the space on my desk giving me higher native resolution and I loved it.
2- secondly working on desktop environment with mostly static images like editing software UI the LCDs gave me less headache than staring into CRT monitor for hours.
3- I bought the FW900 for about 2700 euros and sold it for 1200 which was a good deal for used monitor when I sold it. The Dells were actually a bit cheaper as new.
So these were my personal reasons, you may agree or not that's up to you. But don't be so hostile cos I prefer a better working environment.
Now let's go back to your claim about aperture grill you obviously picked from wiki but lack to understand what it really means. By the way if you scroll up you will see that I already answered about that in my last post but here it is again a bit more detailed:
A monitor resolution is the multiplication of X pixels on horizontal line and X pixels of vertical line.
Now for aperture grill (which still has dot pitch without shadow mask) you have the possibility to put unlimited electrons on the vertical (vertical distance) but you dont have this possibility on the horizontal. Since a CRT Monitor in fact can produce only a limited amount of electrons bound by it max resolution, you can in fact trick the monitor by over driving it to produce on the vertical line more electrons but on the other hand inherently you lose some on the horizontal distance. You may actually read an higher resolution on vertical distance but the whole resolution quality and the end picture will suffer from it. Therefore you can not as you claim have an unlimited resolution on FW900. (for someone who is not into video profession its a hard subject to comprehend so I understand your short comings)
so here is a link that explains dot pitch to you very neatly
Now the problem in your statement is not even this. The problem is that you claim to use DSR yet in the same sentence you claim FW900 has unlimited resolution (up to 5K). My question to you is this. When you can have the 5K native, why on the earth you use DSR? And this is what makes me thing you are either ignorant or do not even know what you are talking about.
Now I have sent you many links about DSR and what it does and seems like you haven't read it yet.
Maybe you should google what down-sampling means. Yes it is the process of taking an image and making it smaller, pulling down the sampling rate... its an alternative to anti-aliasing. It helps to get a smaller image a bit sharper but its not an actual 4K image. Its a neath trick to produce high resolution image with more details and pack it on a smaller resolution. But inherintly you always lose some of the information as you can not really put all the information on a monitor with smaller resolution.
Finally, somewhat I have my doubts that you actually own a FW900. The reason I think this is you claimed using BNC cable as your connector via DVI to BNC adapter. The problem in this statement is that DVI puts out digital signals and FW900 BNC connectors deliver only analog signals. This means you need an external Video DAC to run the system, extra drivers etc etc. No one in his right mind would go through that hassle to connect that monitor to a computer as you can run it perfectly via VGA connector with a good VGA cable. You can however use that monitor as control monitor from different video sources like cameras, videomixers, video capture/input cards via BNC
What I would like to see from you is not some nvidia panel picture (that you can fish anywhere on the internet or photoshop yourself or just select an higher resolution that would never run after apply) but I would like to see an actual picture of your monitor with BNC connections on your desk with AAPG on screen (of course with mini HUD)
And about the misinformation campaign. Yes you are running one making ppl think that DSR actually puts a 4K or 5K resolution on a non 4K monitor. Which is complete false information as some others who use DSR mentioned here as well.
And I dig your nostalgia about a dead technology like trinitron from sony but come on man.. join us in the present time. There are already far better systems out there.
Now my dear ZOD, I believe you picked up the right character for yourself when talking about egos and stubborn minds.. but hey, I will be your superman anytime you like
1- the flat monitors (Dell UltraSharp 3007WFPs) I bought back in 2008 were both color calibrated and took 1/4 of the space on my desk giving me higher native resolution and I loved it.
We just google'd one thing of yours Dell UltraSharp 3007WFPs and it was produced in 2010? :smirk: FYI you said you would go away with a picture. Now will you go away caught lying? just this post, still like reading your arguing with others on the other posts.
And who puts DELL above SONY? Sony creates, DELL purchases from others and slaps name on it.
FYI You don't know the difference between a windows control panel & nivida? Real Monitor know how.
1- the flat monitors (Dell UltraSharp 3007WFPs) I bought back in 2008 were both color calibrated and took 1/4 of the space on my desk giving me higher native resolution and I loved it.
We just google one thing of yours Dell UltraSharp 3007WFPs and it was produced in 2010? :smirk: FYI you said you would go away with a picture. Now will you go away caught lying? just this post, still like reading your arguing with others on the other posts.
good luck to you too sir..
and learn to google better.. it was produced in 2006 for the first time..
Ahh you dropped the S? try again. You stated owning the Super - IPS designed by Hitachi for Dell.
Sometimes those little letters at the end make a big difference, could be an honest mistake on your end since your don't even know how a FW900 works and think moving from Sony CRT to a LCD is a trade up.
no Bam i didn't drop the "s" it was the plural form as in 2 monitors.
Yet you keep on harassing with false information not knowing what I owned or not. Glad you love the sony, but for me it was a great trade off cos I dont like to stare into CRT monitors for hours, which makes my eyes bleed.
But I wonder why as self claimed man of honor and army values, you lack the ability to say sry when I prove you wrong with facts
Facts about
1- DSR and what it is
2- what dot pitch is and that it is a separate subject than shadow mask or aperture grille type of CRT
3- when my dell monitor was actually produced
And you still didn't answer my question why you use DSR when you have the 5K possible on FW900?
But I am more interested in the picture of that monitor you connect via BNC cables.. so I can learn from you
EDIT: why ppl keep on editing their original comments to make the answering post look irrelevant? Honesty is really rare lately
Seems like you guys should concentrate on refresh times . My ASUS 1080p 24" is rated at 1ms. Since every single ms can be the difference of life and death for online gaming then I'll keep what I got until it blows up.
So, by the time I get another monitor, I'd be looking at an 8k 288hz screen.
CRT is Oms ( no input lag ) another benefit. But man 1ms is super fast. I'm waiting for OLED to improve I love perfect blacks, my monitor has spoiled me.
CRT is Oms ( no input lag ) another benefit. But man 1ms is super fast. I'm waiting for OLED to improve I love perfect blacks, my monitor has spoiled me.
Ohh bam.. There no such thing as no input lag.. CRT has inherently extreme low input lag cause the signal is not stored prior to display but a signal still has to travel. 0 travel time is still something our technology didn't invent (unless of course time and space bending is suddenly possible)
1ms is fast enough that you wouldn't perceive it at all.
GOOGLE.. Please Goole before posting, are you not embarrassed? does this not get old?
WIKI:
For older analog cathode ray tube (CRT) technology, display lag is extremely low, due to the nature of the technology, which does not have the ability to store image data before display. The picture signal is minimally processed internally, simply for demodulation from a radio-frequency (RF) carrier wave (for televisions), and then splitting into separate signals for the red, green, and blue electron guns, and for timing of the vertical and horizontal sync. Image adjustments typically involved reshaping the signal waveform but without storage, <font size="3" color="yellow">so the image is written to the screen as fast as it is received.</font> please re-read 3 times.. thanks. nano nano
Ohhh check this out found in the same WIKI article.
LCD, plasma, and DLP displays, unlike CRTs, have a native resolution.
This from link you presented: http://computer.howstuffworks.com/question401.htm
You didn't even read your own rebuttal. Do the math on those figures below.. and then remember
the SONY FW900 has a .22 pitch your mind will be blown.
Who are you actually trying to impress with pretending to know stuff? I mean you do know stuff but just on a surface level... calling the window control panel the nivida control panel.. just zapped all credibility you was gaining.
And yes wrong again.. and posting again.. educate yourself first you're finding the proper information just not comprehending it or even reading it well must be because English is your 4th lingo. So we will let you slide on your mistakes.
We may have to settle this on the AA battlefield.. I like Navy Seals Server but will cross the pond if need be.
Comments
I think it's preety obvious that is not the same playing at 4K via DSR on a 1080p monitor than playing at 4K on a 4K monitor quality wise, but the results on FPS count are the same than playing on an actual 4K monitor. The OP asked about what PC config is needed to play this game at 4K, and I answered that question.
Sorry if my english is not clear enough.
No you are correct about the FPS count. Since it renders @4K
actually it can even be lower cos down-sampling might also lower the FPS count a little.
I thought you were answering about the DSR discussion.
4K with a good 4K monitor is just awesome. But the video source must be also awesome.
I'll probably just do what I did/do with any other new tech, wait for prices to drop and for it to all become somewhat normal to own and not exclusively aimed for the elite user who only settles for the very best. I've never been the first inline for grabbing new tech, just not that fortunate or rich.. Just wondering if its all its cracked up to be, there was BIG interest and marketing pushes over '3D Tv's and monitors' and I've still not got a 3D TV/monitor even though they are cheap as chips these days
My parents have a 4K Curver 3D TV its awesome. Lots of TV Shows on available in 4K on netflixs. The OLYMPICS IN 2020 is suppose to broadcast in 4K. Most cable companys offer atleast 1080i atm and some even offer 1080p. It took them a long time because you had to put new cables in the ground and all that to support 1080p. For 4K I don't think this will be the case and we should have 4K TV broadcasting within 5 years.
I'm only responding to help teach you and maybe help you be able to open your mind and learn from others, one can not succeed at life if entrenched in their EGO and can't let go of inaccuracies in their knowledge.
Here is your EDIT answer for the 2nd time:
Dot pitch measurement does not apply to aperture grille displays. Such monitors use continuous vertical phosphors band on the screen, so the vertical distance between scan lines is <font size="3" color="red">( Real important part here read 3 times )</font> limited only by video input signal's vertical resolution.
Adding this since google and the internet are of no use to you:
Aperture-grill
Monitors based on the Trinitron technology, which was pioneered by Sony, use an aperture-grill instead of a shadow-mask type of tube. The aperture grill consists of tiny vertical wires. Electron beams pass through the aperture grill to illuminate the phosphor on the faceplate. Most aperture-grill monitors have a flat faceplate and tend to represent a less distorted image over the entire surface of the display than the curved faceplate of a shadow-mask CRT. However, aperture-grill displays are normally more expensive.
And here is your picture next to the 1080 acer:
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Running sweet 5k at 80 hz. An yes on the FW900 that is full 5k with inspector on a 580 the madness!
The most uneducated thing about your posts is you let go of the most elusive, expensive, rarest monitor in all history of the technology for a LCD screen?
Hope this puts an end to your misinformation campaign with our forums users.. FYI the Americas Army community is an older more educated crowd. We don't take kindly to people misinforming our community anyone can google and see how wrong your are.. ( on FW900 ) but your ego won't allow you to concede.
NOW KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!!
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********Bam4D********BE ALL (THAT) YOU CAN BE!
________Army 1980_________
Lets start with personal part (where you claim to know better than me what I did back then)
1- the flat monitors (Dell UltraSharp 3007WFPs) I bought back in 2008 were both color calibrated and took 1/4 of the space on my desk giving me higher native resolution and I loved it.
2- secondly working on desktop environment with mostly static images like editing software UI the LCDs gave me less headache than staring into CRT monitor for hours.
3- I bought the FW900 for about 2700 euros and sold it for 1200 which was a good deal for used monitor when I sold it. The Dells were actually a bit cheaper as new.
So these were my personal reasons, you may agree or not that's up to you. But don't be so hostile cos I prefer a better working environment.
Now let's go back to your claim about aperture grill you obviously picked from wiki but lack to understand what it really means. By the way if you scroll up you will see that I already answered about that in my last post but here it is again a bit more detailed:
A monitor resolution is the multiplication of X pixels on horizontal line and X pixels of vertical line.
Now for aperture grill (which still has dot pitch without shadow mask) you have the possibility to put unlimited electrons on the vertical (vertical distance) but you dont have this possibility on the horizontal. Since a CRT Monitor in fact can produce only a limited amount of electrons bound by it max resolution, you can in fact trick the monitor by over driving it to produce on the vertical line more electrons but on the other hand inherently you lose some on the horizontal distance. You may actually read an higher resolution on vertical distance but the whole resolution quality and the end picture will suffer from it. Therefore you can not as you claim have an unlimited resolution on FW900. (for someone who is not into video profession its a hard subject to comprehend so I understand your short comings)
so here is a link that explains dot pitch to you very neatly
http://computer.howstuffworks.com/question401.htm
Now the problem in your statement is not even this. The problem is that you claim to use DSR yet in the same sentence you claim FW900 has unlimited resolution (up to 5K). My question to you is this. When you can have the 5K native, why on the earth you use DSR? And this is what makes me thing you are either ignorant or do not even know what you are talking about.
Now I have sent you many links about DSR and what it does and seems like you haven't read it yet.
Maybe you should google what down-sampling means. Yes it is the process of taking an image and making it smaller, pulling down the sampling rate... its an alternative to anti-aliasing. It helps to get a smaller image a bit sharper but its not an actual 4K image. Its a neath trick to produce high resolution image with more details and pack it on a smaller resolution. But inherintly you always lose some of the information as you can not really put all the information on a monitor with smaller resolution.
Finally, somewhat I have my doubts that you actually own a FW900. The reason I think this is you claimed using BNC cable as your connector via DVI to BNC adapter. The problem in this statement is that DVI puts out digital signals and FW900 BNC connectors deliver only analog signals. This means you need an external Video DAC to run the system, extra drivers etc etc. No one in his right mind would go through that hassle to connect that monitor to a computer as you can run it perfectly via VGA connector with a good VGA cable. You can however use that monitor as control monitor from different video sources like cameras, videomixers, video capture/input cards via BNC
What I would like to see from you is not some nvidia panel picture (that you can fish anywhere on the internet or photoshop yourself or just select an higher resolution that would never run after apply) but I would like to see an actual picture of your monitor with BNC connections on your desk with AAPG on screen (of course with mini HUD)
And about the misinformation campaign. Yes you are running one making ppl think that DSR actually puts a 4K or 5K resolution on a non 4K monitor. Which is complete false information as some others who use DSR mentioned here as well.
And I dig your nostalgia about a dead technology like trinitron from sony but come on man.. join us in the present time. There are already far better systems out there.
Now my dear ZOD, I believe you picked up the right character for yourself when talking about egos and stubborn minds.. but hey, I will be your superman anytime you like
We just google'd one thing of yours Dell UltraSharp 3007WFPs and it was produced in 2010? :smirk: FYI you said you would go away with a picture. Now will you go away caught lying? just this post, still like reading your arguing with others on the other posts.
And who puts DELL above SONY? Sony creates, DELL purchases from others and slaps name on it.
FYI You don't know the difference between a windows control panel & nivida? Real Monitor know how.
_________________________
********Bam4D********BE ALL (THAT) YOU CAN BE!
________Army 1980_________
good luck to you too sir..
and learn to google better.. it was produced in 2006 for the first time..
EDIT: and a quick search I found a review from back then... lawl
http://www.cnet.com/products/dell-ultrasharp-3007wfp/
_________________________
********Bam4D********BE ALL (THAT) YOU CAN BE!
________Army 1980_________
no Bam i didn't drop the "s" it was the plural form as in 2 monitors.
Yet you keep on harassing with false information not knowing what I owned or not. Glad you love the sony, but for me it was a great trade off cos I dont like to stare into CRT monitors for hours, which makes my eyes bleed.
But I wonder why as self claimed man of honor and army values, you lack the ability to say sry when I prove you wrong with facts
Facts about
1- DSR and what it is
2- what dot pitch is and that it is a separate subject than shadow mask or aperture grille type of CRT
3- when my dell monitor was actually produced
And you still didn't answer my question why you use DSR when you have the 5K possible on FW900?
But I am more interested in the picture of that monitor you connect via BNC cables.. so I can learn from you
EDIT: why ppl keep on editing their original comments to make the answering post look irrelevant? Honesty is really rare lately
I feel yah BAM!!
aww can I use this as signature pls?
colts feels BAM
and respects Dem@n all cause of me..
I really changed this guys life man
So, by the time I get another monitor, I'd be looking at an 8k 288hz screen.
_________________________
********Bam4D********BE ALL (THAT) YOU CAN BE!
________Army 1980_________
Ohh bam.. There no such thing as no input lag.. CRT has inherently extreme low input lag cause the signal is not stored prior to display but a signal still has to travel. 0 travel time is still something our technology didn't invent (unless of course time and space bending is suddenly possible)
1ms is fast enough that you wouldn't perceive it at all.
But I give you the perfect blacks
WIKI:
For older analog cathode ray tube (CRT) technology, display lag is extremely low, due to the nature of the technology, which does not have the ability to store image data before display. The picture signal is minimally processed internally, simply for demodulation from a radio-frequency (RF) carrier wave (for televisions), and then splitting into separate signals for the red, green, and blue electron guns, and for timing of the vertical and horizontal sync. Image adjustments typically involved reshaping the signal waveform but without storage, <font size="3" color="yellow">so the image is written to the screen as fast as it is received.</font> please re-read 3 times.. thanks. nano nano
Ohhh check this out found in the same WIKI article.
LCD, plasma, and DLP displays, unlike CRTs, have a native resolution.
This from link you presented: http://computer.howstuffworks.com/question401.htm
You didn't even read your own rebuttal. Do the math on those figures below.. and then remember
the SONY FW900 has a .22 pitch your mind will be blown.
Dot Pitch .25mm
1,600 pixels/cm2
10,000 pixels/pixels/in2
Dot Pitch .26mm
1,444 pixels/cm2
9,025 pixels/pixels/in2
Who are you actually trying to impress with pretending to know stuff? I mean you do know stuff but just on a surface level... calling the window control panel the nivida control panel.. just zapped all credibility you was gaining.
And yes wrong again.. and posting again.. educate yourself first you're finding the proper information just not comprehending it or even reading it well must be because English is your 4th lingo. So we will let you slide on your mistakes.
We may have to settle this on the AA battlefield.. I like Navy Seals Server but will cross the pond if need be.
_________________________
********Bam4D********BE ALL (THAT) YOU CAN BE!
________Army 1980_________
In any case, let's use the .22 pixel pitch you've given, though spec sheets often list it as .23.
Let's call the screen 23" x 20". I'm being super-generous on all these numbers.
That translates to a max resolution of 2655 x 2300 with that pixel pitch.
Yes, you can try to render more, but now you're painting each phosphor multiple times, leading to blur.
Not having a native resolution doesn't mean the CRT has infinite resolving capacity.