Aside from that, losing your account is a decent punishment most players care about. Once we add in the unlocks and progression that will sting even more.
From that comment it seems like they enforce army values on the community regardless of what we as individuals think, so I guess it's pointless to discuss that now. However if they ban accounts (as it seems like from that quote) I don't get why they ban for violations on official servers only (while at the same time banning from 3rd party servers with that) but not vice-versa.
It's not even about my personal opinion, just curious about this weird policy.
I didn't complain about it. Besides that it's probably more about the Army's decision than the Dev's but that's just me guessing.
Besides that, please just stop crying about a player for multiple rounds. It's really annoying especially for people who saw the perfectly fine and clean videos
I think the timing of the discussion is indeed interesting.
In what sense? Is there something else that this is linked to (beyond the thread linked in the OP)? I posted this as a response to the other thread's closure.
I really think it's asking a lot of the devs (if they even have the authority since they are developers, not owners) to go poking around in third party servers.
You would be better off contacting the entity that provides the hosting services to the offending server.
There's a difference between going out patrolling and trying to enforce rules everywhere, which may well be too difficult just as you suggest, and choosing to turn a blind eye when an issue is directly raised via the correct channels.
I agree with that, but to be honest I still see enough bad behaviour on the officials, which seems to suggest, the workload for enforcing there is too high as it is. In an ideal situation, I certainly agree, I just can't see it working.
Actually this shouldn't be just limited to in game behavior but must also be extended to any aapg related forums as well.. Specially strong racist comments or such pedophile comments as mentioned in OP should be dealt harshly.
If a person gets a permanent ban for simply tkilling an in game character and this qualifies as abuse.. I do not see how anyone can justify not taking an action for things mentioned in OP
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Actually this shouldn't be just limited to in game behavior but must also be extended to any aapg related forums as well.. Specially strong racist comments or such pedophile comments as mentioned in OP should be dealt harshly.
If a person gets a permanent ban for simply tkilling an in game character and this qualifies as abuse.. I do not see how anyone can justify not taking an action for things mentioned in OP
Personally, while I find some of the associated third-party sites pretty pathetic (stalking, harassment, the works...), the borders for abuse reports should end at "Can a player access the content via the game launcher / browser?" If yes: enforce rules. If no: it's outside that system.
Any servers accessible through the server browser: enforce standards. Hypothetical third-party servers that aren't listed via the Steam browser: knock your socks off in your truly private realm.
If we didn’t care, then we likely wouldn't be here discussing this stuff. The Op who had his topic locked originally absolutely had the right to blow off that steam, nobody should be subjected to that sort of behaviour and those acting in that manner should not be able to resume that behavior.. for the good of the game and its players.
Abuse is abuse and it's never nice.
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Actually this shouldn't be just limited to in game behavior but must also be extended to any aapg related forums as well.. Specially strong racist comments or such pedophile comments as mentioned in OP should be dealt harshly.
If a person gets a permanent ban for simply tkilling an in game character and this qualifies as abuse.. I do not see how anyone can justify not taking an action for things mentioned in OP
Personally, while I find some of the associated third-party sites pretty pathetic (stalking, harassment, the works...), the borders for abuse reports should end at "Can a player access the content via the game launcher / browser?" If yes: enforce rules. If no: it's outside that system.
Any servers accessible through the server browser: enforce standards. Hypothetical third-party servers that aren't listed via the Steam browser: knock your socks off in your truly private realm.
I am not sure I do agree with that logic BCPull. Lets say you have a known pedophile who is simply keeping his mouth shot in game but goes around and posts that kinda crap all over the place where the community is actually participating in social activities.. should we just close an eye to this? Or tries to lure some 11y old kid to add him to his steam etc etc..
I know its an extreme example, but as you said.. there are many ppl around here who act somewhat respectable on official forums or in game chat, but puke their bs all over the place in other places which contradicts with "AA Brand Values"
But nonetheless I agree with you that at least a minimum standards should be set across all servers.
However, I do not agree with the part of forcing admins to let in players that are not wanted (from personal reasons) in their private servers that they pay for community to play. It would be a different ball game if army was actually providing those servers and assigning admins after some kinda training to run it.
At the end each and every player can decide where to play and where not to play. No one is forcing anyone to visit servers where they are treated badly.
However, you have some ppl out there.. who actually keep coming back to places they are not wanted at all as well.
A player reputation system would be outstanding. Let the trolls play with the trolls.
I +1 this idea. Need to somehow hide the servers from them and have some way of letting them troll the trolls instead of people who come on for a good time, or just to play the game. Honestly i think we need a better system to deal with people like this when admins/devs ARENT around because that's when this stuff always gets out of hand.
Yes, it is technically their responsibility, but im sure they are way too busy to deal with petty stuff/morons imo.
We need a reputation type system that will amount to a game ban/account ban after enough violations. Maybe tied into ROE violations and weighted against community reports from other players, something like the "report this player" feature steam has already that weighs into VAC/Game bans. Steam recently allowed game developers to completely block players from playing their game. THIS is justice for the people who hate trolls
Links for anyone interested in reading. (shouldn't break TOS but if it does i will take the warning, and apolagize) http://steamcommunity.com/actions/WhatIsGameBan http://www.polygon.com/2015/4/30/8521357/steam-game-ban-developers-valve https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=6899-IOSK-9514
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Reputation systems and concepts like targeted matchmaking work best (only??) when paired with a matchmaking system. That represents much more dramatic changes in the AA infrastructure than I think the Devs are looking to tackle right now. I love the idea, though.
Riot Games has really been leading the field in developing new ways to analyze and reform player behavior, but they've got the budget to really tackle it all head-on.
Why wasn't the perpetrator simply votekicked? Clearly if he was being so over the top about it other people would vote to kick him as well
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Why wasn't the perpetrator simply votekicked? Clearly if he was being so over the top about it other people would vote to kick him as well
Votes disabled on the server. Playing with new people that don't know how to vote yet. Antagonizing the other team so his team refused to kick. Playing with equally troll mates that can swing the vote in his favor.
Pick your favorite reason for why the vote system isn't flawless.
Even then, there's a broader question: why should abuse just get bounced from server to server instead of removed from the system entirely? It's actually a MAJOR shortcoming of the vote kick approach: successful kicks protect one group of players by sending toxicity to a new, distinct set of fresh targets. That's where a more universal player behavior tracking approach (similar to a rep system like SgtMac suggests) can shine: recognize repeated offenses and expand the scope of punishment.
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I didn't complain about it. Besides that it's probably more about the Army's decision than the Dev's but that's just me guessing.
Besides that, please just stop crying about a player for multiple rounds. It's really annoying especially for people who saw the perfectly fine and clean videos
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In what sense? Is there something else that this is linked to (beyond the thread linked in the OP)? I posted this as a response to the other thread's closure.
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You would be better off contacting the entity that provides the hosting services to the offending server.
If a person gets a permanent ban for simply tkilling an in game character and this qualifies as abuse.. I do not see how anyone can justify not taking an action for things mentioned in OP
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Any servers accessible through the server browser: enforce standards. Hypothetical third-party servers that aren't listed via the Steam browser: knock your socks off in your truly private realm.
If we didn’t care, then we likely wouldn't be here discussing this stuff. The Op who had his topic locked originally absolutely had the right to blow off that steam, nobody should be subjected to that sort of behaviour and those acting in that manner should not be able to resume that behavior.. for the good of the game and its players.
Abuse is abuse and it's never nice.
I am not sure I do agree with that logic BCPull. Lets say you have a known pedophile who is simply keeping his mouth shot in game but goes around and posts that kinda crap all over the place where the community is actually participating in social activities.. should we just close an eye to this? Or tries to lure some 11y old kid to add him to his steam etc etc..
I know its an extreme example, but as you said.. there are many ppl around here who act somewhat respectable on official forums or in game chat, but puke their bs all over the place in other places which contradicts with "AA Brand Values"
But nonetheless I agree with you that at least a minimum standards should be set across all servers.
However, I do not agree with the part of forcing admins to let in players that are not wanted (from personal reasons) in their private servers that they pay for community to play. It would be a different ball game if army was actually providing those servers and assigning admins after some kinda training to run it.
At the end each and every player can decide where to play and where not to play. No one is forcing anyone to visit servers where they are treated badly.
However, you have some ppl out there.. who actually keep coming back to places they are not wanted at all as well.
I +1 this idea. Need to somehow hide the servers from them and have some way of letting them troll the trolls instead of people who come on for a good time, or just to play the game. Honestly i think we need a better system to deal with people like this when admins/devs ARENT around because that's when this stuff always gets out of hand.
Yes, it is technically their responsibility, but im sure they are way too busy to deal with petty stuff/morons imo.
We need a reputation type system that will amount to a game ban/account ban after enough violations. Maybe tied into ROE violations and weighted against community reports from other players, something like the "report this player" feature steam has already that weighs into VAC/Game bans. Steam recently allowed game developers to completely block players from playing their game. THIS is justice for the people who hate trolls
Links for anyone interested in reading. (shouldn't break TOS but if it does i will take the warning, and apolagize)
http://steamcommunity.com/actions/WhatIsGameBan
http://www.polygon.com/2015/4/30/8521357/steam-game-ban-developers-valve
https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=6899-IOSK-9514
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Votes disabled on the server. Playing with new people that don't know how to vote yet. Antagonizing the other team so his team refused to kick. Playing with equally troll mates that can swing the vote in his favor.
Pick your favorite reason for why the vote system isn't flawless.
Even then, there's a broader question: why should abuse just get bounced from server to server instead of removed from the system entirely? It's actually a MAJOR shortcoming of the vote kick approach: successful kicks protect one group of players by sending toxicity to a new, distinct set of fresh targets. That's where a more universal player behavior tracking approach (similar to a rep system like SgtMac suggests) can shine: recognize repeated offenses and expand the scope of punishment.