AAPG devs need to create some rookie only servers

I believe the game is very hard for new players to learn as they join servers with lots of other players, and many of them are really good at the game and also have thousands of hours. If the Devs were able to create official (rookie only) servers that only players that were Specialist and below could join or something to that effect. This would make it so new players could learn the game mechanics and the maps easier, also won't worry about getting constantly killed at the beginning of every round by really good players who have far more hours of gameplay compared to them. The servers or server can allow them to play against other around their skill level or who are relatively new as well.

Please get others to read this such as the Devs or people who can bring this topic up to the Devs so that we can help the AAPG community grow and stop making all the new players constantly leave and quit the game.
rookie only servers
  1. Would you want rookie only servers/ specialist and below.22 votes
    1. Support the servers
      63.64%
    2. Against the servers
      36.36%
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  • Keebler750Keebler750 Posts: 3,207Beta Tester
    I agree, and most others do too, but how do you keep Experts from creating a new account to go and harass the newer players?
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  • CampachuCampachu Posts: 4Player
    Keebler750 wrote: »
    I agree, and most others do too, but how do you keep Experts from creating a new account to go and harass the newer players?

    There isn't a way to do that, but those players aren't just going to create Alt's just to play on rookie only servers, and i see it on a lot of other games as well that they have the same concept so I thought it would work on this game too.
  • Keebler750Keebler750 Posts: 3,207Beta Tester
    Are you sure? Think of the KDR someone could get before finally being booted. It would be NO fun for the new players! Griefers are known to like upsetting people....
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  • OICURMT!OICURMT! Posts: 68Beta Tester
    Admin's are the key. Get a couple to monitor the sitation and if people get abusive... the big heave-ho.
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  • Dct.F|LeventeDct.F|Levente Posts: 413Beta Tester
    Keebler750 wrote: »
    Are you sure? Think of the KDR someone could get before finally being booted. It would be NO fun for the new players! Griefers are known to like upsetting people....

    Well, this won't stop griefers. But I think these is a significant part of the experienced playerbase, who wouldn't do that. So instead of 9 seasoned players in the enemy team, they would only have 2. Sure, those 2 could get an amazing KDR, but the new players could have a chance to have a firefight against other new players, before the griefer finds them...
    There could be a system, which locks out the too good new accounts. I mean that if the account consistently gets 3+ KDR, then the game would say: "Go play with the big boys now". Yes, you can make a new-new account, but that is a chore to do 2 times a day.

    I think this idea definitely has flaws, but it'd be worth a shot.
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  • Keebler750Keebler750 Posts: 3,207Beta Tester
    Yes. I've suggested an XPM-type filter before, instead of rank. Also, It is possible to make a server that doesn't give points. I think that would help convince people to come help teach others without it impacting their account.
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  • doogle!doogle! Posts: 502Player
    OICURMT! wrote: »
    Admin's are the key. Get a couple to monitor the sitation and if people get abusive... the big heave-ho.

    And then where do good players get to play? Above average players are already kicked and/or banned on several privately ran servers. I do think we need to help out the rookies, but we also cannot do it at the expense of another user base.
  • uscav19D20uscav19D20 Posts: 6Player
    Honestly, I learned the maps better by getting my butt kicked and seeing the tactics the good players are using. You will get sick of losing and get better. Just my experience--I did the same thing in AA2+ all the way through PG.

    I do wish it would balance teams a little better because sometimes you will load into server with E-6+ on one team and a bunch a PVT's on the other and they are not in a party so it could be balanced a little bit better.
  • nL^Z0naGaming_nL^Z0naGaming_ Posts: 610Player
    Best way to learn the game and get better it to play against better players.
    uscav19D20 wrote: »
    I do wish it would balance teams a little better because sometimes you will load into server with E-6+ on one team and a bunch a PVT's on the other and they are not in a party so it could be balanced a little bit better.

    Rank in this game is just an indicator on how much you played this game, I've played against people with rank SMA that played so poorly that i honestly thought it wasn't even their account. We can't judge some one their skill based on rank sadly.
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  • [ENG]Uni-Sol[ENG]Uni-Sol Posts: 3,154Player
    uscav19D20 wrote: »
    Honestly, I learned the maps better by getting my butt kicked and seeing the tactics the good players are using. You will get sick of losing and get better. Just my experience--I did the same thing in AA2+ all the way through PG.

    Bingo! You learn from the mistakes that you made.

    Got headshot from across the map? You just learned not to put your head there.. You revived a guy screaming at you not to.. but did it anyway thinking your helping? ouch.. both you and the guy you thought you helped bit the bullet.. but Boom! you just learned how not to wrecklessly revive your teammate without being sure.

    I could go on and on :lol: rookie only servers would be abused.. not only by skilled players but can you also imagine the sheer number of legitimate people getting blamed for cheating simply if they had a good game? That itself is abuse. Not nice to be called a cheater when your not.. I've had it myself so know the feels.
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  • CampachuCampachu Posts: 4Player
    The problem is that many player don't learn and just quit and there are very few new players coming into the game, and this causes the game to die out. The game is sitting at 370 average players at once its been slowly declining over the past years and they need to fix that and do something to bring more players in.
    http://steamcharts.com/app/203290
  • vDropvDrop Posts: 25Player
    Been playing AA for a long time now.

    [1] I support the idea; why? Let's just say I love what Americas Army was, and could be. I'll continue to follow the development of the game, or its future development of others games. With that said, a player base is obviously the key to that. I've been gone for the community for nearly 4 years now. The player base then wasn't really that strong back then either, lets be real. The numbers haven't been the same since the demise of Americas Army 2. Sadly, whether the majority agrees with me or not, the game lacks competition, which in 2018, is another key to a successful multiplayer game. A few "noob" or "recruit" servers would be excellent for new players to simply just learn the basics of the game. Make it a little more difficult and have it so if someone creates a new account, that they get linked (mac address would be the only way, and yes I'm aware it can be avoided), but it would increase the steps required to troll new players. This game needs new players to enjoy the game, not feel like there's a hacker in every server, and we all know some of the best in this game, whom are legit, come off as a hack. As experienced players and being such a small community, we know each other enough to simply keep playing with each other and have a good time.

    [2] I also don't support the "recruit" servers for the same reasons listed above. Sometimes its great to get your blank kicked in. I've learned how to play AA2 and Proving Grounds (Yeah I skipped AA3 entirely) by playing against the best players in the game. Going 0-12 was worth it. I learned ALOT from those players, mainly indirectly by just watching them, or obviously getting owned. The really good ones whom loved the game, didn't mind throwing a tip or two out there as well to help the new players.

    Just my two cents. In reality, numbers are not there to have admins/mods for these servers, we barely have enough rotating map servers. The fact updates come out for this game still is amazing, but don't get me wrong, Its highly appreciated. At this point, the few 500 - 800 that are still playing, are keeping the game going. I'll never stop playing, that's for sure.
  • --JR----JR-- Posts: 24Player
    edited April 24
    Campachu wrote: »
    The problem is that many player don't learn and just quit and there are very few new players coming into the game, and this causes the game to die out. The game is sitting at 370 average players at once its been slowly declining over the past years and they need to fix that and do something to bring more players in.
    http://steamcharts.com/app/203290

    I think the reason the player base has been declining is because there's mostly only populated inner hospital servers to play on.

    This is the reason I quit, got tired of playing inner hospital over and over again. You might get lucky and find a populated server on a different map every once in a while but it's very rare.

    Also I only get like 3-5 servers to play on where my ping is under 300, not many to choose from...
  • doogle!doogle! Posts: 502Player
    --JR-- wrote: »

    there's mostly only populated inner hospital servers to play on.

    This is the reason I quit, got tired of playing inner hospital over and over again. You might get lucky and find a populated server on a different map every once in a while but it's very rare.

    ^ also this

  • OICURMT!OICURMT! Posts: 68Beta Tester
    doogle! wrote: »
    OICURMT! wrote: »
    Admin's are the key. Get a couple to monitor the sitation and if people get abusive... the big heave-ho.

    And then where do good players get to play? Above average players are already kicked and/or banned on several privately ran servers. I do think we need to help out the rookies, but we also cannot do it at the expense of another user base.

    I was talking about people who use 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc... accounts and ruin play for those still learning.

    BIG-Heave-Ho!
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  • SFC-J.Rizzo[3rdID]SFC-J.Rizzo[3rdID] Posts: 80Player
    The game combat arms did this exact thing.

    However i agree to disagree.

    1. yes you can separate the skill set, but as others said how are you suppose to learn the game and how can you improve YOUR skill set as a player to defeat a more skill player.
    2. by supporting this idea, this would hurt alot of clan/realism/milsim units for recruitment of getting fresh blood.
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  • POTATO.RZintegra2.0POTATO.RZintegra2.0 Posts: 25Player

    OICURMT! wrote: »

    I was talking about people who use 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc... accounts and ruin play for those still learning.

    BIG-Heave-Ho!

    Man I'm still a noob inside ;)

    If you don't get worked once or twice in the game then you won't have the motivation to improve your game play, although the community can also help by not team stacking against the Pvt.
  • =IK=.Scooby=IK=.Scooby Posts: 118Player
    The problem with the idea of recruit/rookie servers is as soon as you stop playing against other rookies/new players you're going to go in to a server vs good players and get your [TOS Violation] beat even worse than you would have had you just started playing with experienced players to start with.

    Why? Because playing against bad players is going to set up bad habits. Crouch walking around a corner may get you a kill on the guy who has 2 hours in the game, but it's gonna get you killed against anyone with any common sense. Over peaking a certain angle may work against new players because they can't hit the shot on you, but it's going to get you killed against anyone who is remotely decent at aiming.

    Having bad habits is worse than having no habits. Play with experienced players, watch them, and learn. If you need to learn the controls drop in on a map in single player and run around for a bit. Don't spend your first 20 hours of the game or whatever learning from watching other new/bad players then completely have to forget everything then relearn the game again from good players. Just learn it from good players from the start.

    Not that it matters for this game because it's dead and beyond reviving, but the idea of recruit/rookie only servers needs to die in general.
  • Keebler750Keebler750 Posts: 3,207Beta Tester
    Actually, good point Scooby. I always envisioned it as a SAFE place for new players, but we go back to the Mentor idea where you'd need volunteers to show them the ropes.

    We've seen both sides of the argument here and I think they're both right! Some people will learn through adversity, and some will never play again.

    It'd be nice if we could accommodate both.
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  • doogle!doogle! Posts: 502Player
    OICURMT! wrote: »
    doogle! wrote: »
    OICURMT! wrote: »
    Admin's are the key. Get a couple to monitor the sitation and if people get abusive... the big heave-ho.

    And then where do good players get to play? Above average players are already kicked and/or banned on several privately ran servers. I do think we need to help out the rookies, but we also cannot do it at the expense of another user base.

    I was talking about people who use 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc... accounts and ruin play for those still learning.

    BIG-Heave-Ho!

    Fair enough, and I understand your point. Good players with a lack of a Steam library, or a private Steam account, sure do get scrutinized much more than a 10 year account with 100 games. But I'd also argue though that 2nd accounts are sometimes used to simply play the game.

    The 1st account get banned by the badmins for what they suspect is hacking, or jumping and shooting, or squatting, or killing...and eventually, the server list dries up. For these people, the only way to play the game is to make a 2nd account and hope to avoid the ban hammer for left clicking better than the other guy.
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