Fragged Nation with lawl bannings lawls

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Well since when do leagues ban players without proof what a joke. I hope this league dies fast. We needed another league to play hope someone is working on a league or has another league in mind. Banning players with no proof and not providing any proof and saying "trust me" is completely bias and unacceptable if you are a league admin you cannot ban a player from your league because you simply do not like the person that is wrong! Things seriously need to change at fragged nation if they want to survive. I've heard of a new league someone is working on any update on this new league?
Pie charts + Graphs= Very Bad.
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https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCN4YhM6jUB2MxVj8i3b9rhw
Look at posts on other forums -- I'd post a link, but there's definitely ToS-violating content there -- regarding his relations with FN. That series of interactions alone is worthy of some serious league repercussions IMO (and not just for him).
Pick your fights, this one isn't really worth it. *shrug*
There should be standards.
As I said in another thread, ESL also really screwed the pooch for not taking advantage of FN frackery. Instead, we have a league being literally fueled by one clans' dedication to the AAPG comp scene (coN) with loopholes throughout the rules, a league site that doesn't give a flying F about AAPG or provide it the tools/power necessary to run a successful league. And another league who does not seize opportunity when it's thrown right on their doorstep, [MOD EDIT-TOS Violation]
Seriously, regardless of opt-in weekends, the tournament should have continued. Instead it took 19 months for it to complete and the hype surrounding ESL NA is gone. Then the botched finals match with 6 viewers, and lack of general advertisement. Please, Crush FN. They're [TOS Violation] from top to bottom. But you've gotta do some progressive [TOS Violation]. [TOS Violation], offer a position to a pessimistic a-hole like haze. You need balance on the staff to call the bullshhh when they see it.
This game needs a powerhouse competition site to step up. Both options suck right now...even with only 1 real place to play.
Don't blame matchmaking in AAPG BCPull, we did fine in AA2 w/o in-game support such as CSGO and Combat Arms. What we need is people with an everyday-man state of mind with the ability to pull their heads out of their own asses to appeal to the masses of AAPG...not the same 12 pricks who actually say "lawl" as if it's a legit word.
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if a person is violating comms rules in game.... you know, typing or using voip inappropriately during an actual match server. or using the official match comms inappropriately... then that would be worthy of a temp-perma ban...
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but you can't ban people from a comp game just because they troll a public forum.... even if it is an admin. ban them from the forums, absolutely. but until they troll players/teams in official capacity, they shouldn't be banned from the competition.
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otherwise you're just abusing your power as an admin/moderator... you're discouraging anyone from posting, for possibility that the admin/mod may not like what you posted... it's just not the way you run a league.
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i mean, you guys not have very good memory.... remember when aapg first came out and TWL first took a crack at it... and TWL promoted some random guy to head admin... and the community challenged that decision and that head admin's actions.... you realized how stupid it would have been to let that one admin ban players for challenging his silly decisions? and we're completely talking about forums here, discussing how an admin would arbitrarily decide on what the league rules were going to be...
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the people should have a right to speak up and question those ruleset choices, or the competency of said admin, who in such cases the admin has not got enough experience to be holding said position...
Here's what a legit tournament rulebook with actual cash prizes looks like:
shhfifty -- the admin being attacked wasn't the one making decisions on punishment. There's no abuse of power issue.
I fully support banning people from competition for acting like trolling idiots in public. Why in the world do you guys think that's the kind of behavior the scene needs? Seriously. *Why* is trolling something you believe the community needs to defend?
Can we all pretend that we should expect maturity from the community?
Even if the first ban wasn't warranted, the right way to deal with it isn't to make new accounts and try to pretend that you're a new person. Again, any real rulebook would immediately recognize that as a serious infraction.
Everyone's complaining about the quality of administration and leagues, but fighting against the standards held by actual leagues in the very next breath.
will be punished...key word punished...not perma banned for life no appeal. Example you wanna troll on forums huh well your banned from forums for 2 weeks and you got a 1-2 match ban as well...Next offence can be harsher or w/e third offence can obviously be ban for life. It is not clearly known that I cannot troll fragged nation forums or I will be banned from competing not that I would troll but its the truth and the above is how it should be done. If you had a competent league admin this is how stuff would be handle.
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but by all means, when the game has cash prizes and players/teams have sponsorships, and those sponsors come out and say "you need to be mature in pubs or we will drop you" then that is when someone can enforce behavior in pubs....
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actually, your clan leader can enforce the same rules on the members, but the actual league can't/shouldn't enforce how you behave outside of comp.
Bad sportsmanship is going to exist in gaming communities, it just is. Muffle the player in forums, and call it a day. I like colts progressive discipline. BCP, the difference between AAPG and the pro ESL tourneys, is we cannot afford to lose 1 or 2 players. Have you ever been in a server and heard the way some of the comp players talk to the general public? Or overheard them crapping on other inferior comp teams? That's not sportsmanlike, but they should not be banned. Haze wasn't being racist or sexist, he was challenging the principle of the way FN management was running the league. His "trolling" was him questioning the rules, questionable decisions by krux, xtr and FN leadership, etc.
The holier than thou mindset you're referencing is not congruent to comp play in AAPG. Not in FN, not in TWL, not in ESL. This isn't a professional organization, it's the internet. The most appropriate and powerful tool is the mute.
- Protecting the bad apples because everybody's THAT desperate for players
- Projecting a positive image by requiring good behavior
Issue 2: language on third-party sites
Issue 3: evading forum bans with new accounts
Issue 4: playing in matches with alt account (faker)
Issue 5: lying to other players about using an alt account
Issue 6: lying to admins about using an alt account
Issue 7: team playing a disallowed player
Why act like all of these things are okay? If you think your ban's unfair, you don't get to just break all the other rules without consequences.
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"If you think your ban's unfair, you don't get to just break all the other rules without consequences."
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idk about FN rules at all, but if a forum warning/ban = account banned from comp, then your rules are garbage. that is a flaw in the rules, and the bogus rules are to blame.
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1-2 should not create causation for 4-7. i'm all for prohibiting alt accounts, but i am not okay with banning persons from play just because of a forum violation. i'm especially not okay with racking up such additional charges against someone that all can be tied to someone initially questioning a questionable ruleset...