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  • SSKnecaboSSKnecabo Posts: 2,721Player
    SSKnecabo wrote: »
    SSKnecabo wrote: »
    Alright, I'll provide another example for a different game then so noone feels offended. I tried some World of Tanks after 3 years of not playing and here is its state atm. There is a mod called XVM which improves the UI mostly but what most people use it for is its feature to see stats in-game. It displays player winrate, a rating and the amount of games played. This is the most used mod in the game and Wargaming even patched some of the mod's features into their game.

    Now here's where the issues are:
    1. Bad players throw their life away trying to get as much damage as possible on players with good ratings and reduce your team's chance of winning.
    2. Good players get focused by artillery which currently is at a broken state. Basically getting punished for being good at the game, sounds great. Vice versa you commonly have high-priority tanks spotted in the open and your arty will not dare to shoot them waiting for players with better rating to get spotted because they believe killing those will help their team out more.
    3. There is extreme toxicity, people are crying about their bad teams and the calculated chance of winning for their team before the game even started and it's common to see insults for bad ratings.

    Now you can obviously argue it's the player's fault using the mod like that but you can't prevent people from getting angry at and blaming the developers of the mod and Wargaming for not banning it. If a tool makes a game unenjoyable for me I feel like I'm in the position to blame the creators of that tool for it, at least partly. I can't expect the tool provider to care about it and neither can I expect it to be banned by the game developer but "not our fault how people use it" seems like a cheap "solution" to me.

    Enough people apparently enjoy the tool so it doesn't get taken out. What it has to do with ACI and teaching their admins is beyond me. ACI is not implemented in the game. It's implemented on the server with the settings set as the server admins see fit. No player can use it or take advantage of it. Every player in the server still plays the game as is. What admins do and do not ban for is up to them. If not for ACI probably a lot more people would get banned for being suspected of hacking as there would be no way to check their history. Well,..apart from their VAC bans that is.

    Because I don't like people looking up my names to call me out and insult me while I'm trying to enjoy the game? Is it really too hard to understand that I just want to play peacefully without getting stalked with some tool? I have to make a new steam account, new AAPG account and search for non ACI secured servers in order to do that? Sorry but it's just a tiny bit inconvenient for me. If anything ACI got me banned on more servers than less, it even got someone else banned for using my name so sorry, not gonna agree on that as well.

    Do you have a ban on ACI? If not the Admins of the servers banned you not ACI. They might have used the tool incorrectly sure, but maybe you should take that up with the server admin. You might have a lot of bad experiences with admins which is unfortunate, but that doesn't mean the tool is no good. If you don't want to be looked up blame the people that make such a tool necessary, not the people that try to help and do something about it.

    No, I don't have any ban nor ever had any. I'm not even talking about ACI admins exclusively but random clanless players calling me out in voice chat about my name change/second account then trying to get other players to kick me from official servers (at the time it was still possible). You see, no ACI involved even and yet it's harm caused by a tool they provide. Not gonna jump on that "blame cheaters for everything" hate train, if you need my explanation about why I think the tool providers should also be allowed to blame read this comparison: http://forum.americasarmy.com/discussion/comment/42698/#Comment_42698
  • TheTotsTheTots Posts: 2,279Player
    I wonder why the AAPG DEVs do not make deleted accounts public and provide the ban/removal reason?

    We believe public ban / shame lists from the devs don't enhance a community.
    On another game I worked on, we tried a system where the character name, clan, and ban reason were put on a dedicated page from us. This actually lead to waaaaaay more problems than it solved.

    There's a reason most games don't publish that information.

    The game wasn't made exactly to my specifications, so I feel it's broken.

  • =NiW=Raksu-ACI-=NiW=Raksu-ACI- Posts: 4Player
    Vac ban works same way as ACI/GGC/PBBans or pbgl ban. All bans are permanent and all bans are triggered by cheat program.

    First of all I would like all of you visit this link: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=7849-Radz-6869&l=english
    This explains what VAC ban is, below I will quote few main points.
    All VAC bans are permanent - Valve has a zero-tolerance policy for cheating and will not lift VAC bans on request.
    And
    If a user connects to a VAC-Secured server from a computer with identifiable cheats installed, the VAC system will ban the user from playing that game on VAC-Secured servers in the future.

    The VAC system reliably detects cheats using their cheat signatures. Any third-party modifications to a game designed to give one player an advantage over another is classified as a cheat or hack and will trigger a VAC ban. This includes modifications to a game's core executable files and dynamic link libraries.

    While server admins may choose to ban specific players, server admins cannot VAC ban players.
    The whos are going to deny these are wrong. Also those who complain that they have banned on using mods or skins? Well all those who say that have used a 3rd party cheating program in order to get them working.

    NOW that anyone that ingnores the points I made above are bias. Is it bias towards the cheaters or just don't don't like ACI's feature what allowes each SERVER OWNER to decide if they want to kick for them. I am note spesific who would do this but if you decide and ingnore what said above and point fingerts, we know who you are.
    Stats on my clan server: 21k logins and 7 kicks for VAC ban. I don't think that is out of order.

    As I stated in my first centance in whole thread that Vac bans are like ACI/GGC/PBbans and pbgl bans, well that is true. And if you get banned by any of those, you need to create a new account in order to play. So how hard would the VAC banned players to create a new account to play. They are the ones who cheated ones and they need to feel some liability.

    Now that some may want that ACI would no longer allow ACI Streaming Admins to have that option, well what I can tell you and this is just my obervation and not a ACI's final decision. No the option wont be disbaled since ACI encourages and demands cheat free clans and servers.
  • SacchoSaccho Posts: 1,577Player
    SSKnecabo wrote: »
    In case it wasn't like that already when you were playing, it's currently at the point of calling red players "tomatoes" which is kinda cute compared to the other stuff the chat has to offer.
    I played 2012/2013, 2100+ WN8. "Tomatoes" as invective gets creativity points at least.
  • [soldier][soldier] Posts: 145Player
    TheTots wrote: »
    We believe public ban / shame lists from the devs don't enhance a community.
    On another game I worked on, we tried a system where the character name, clan, and ban reason were put on a dedicated page from us. This actually lead to waaaaaay more problems than it solved.

    There's a reason most games don't publish that information.

    Fascinating! Care to elaborate?
  • K!Dz.applePIEK!Dz.applePIE Posts: 1,050Player
    TheTots wrote: »
    I wonder why the AAPG DEVs do not make deleted accounts public and provide the ban/removal reason?

    We believe public ban / shame lists from the devs don't enhance a community.
    On another game I worked on, we tried a system where the character name, clan, and ban reason were put on a dedicated page from us. This actually lead to waaaaaay more problems than it solved.

    There's a reason most games don't publish that information.

    thank you for the response. Unfortunately, there are some players out there who simply say the DEVs do not offer a ban reason therefore the ban can not be taken seriously. Implicating that DEVs do issue those bans for personal reasons or yet without proper tools etc (which is obviously far from truth)

    Yet it becomes controversy when admins ban their new accounts based on the DEVs deleted account.

    It would be at least a great help if you could publicly say that the issued bans by DEVs are in fact given for getting caught for cheese eating.

    Thanks in advance
  • SSKnecaboSSKnecabo Posts: 2,721Player
    Vac ban works same way as ACI/GGC/PBBans or pbgl ban. All bans are permanent and all bans are triggered by cheat program.

    First of all I would like all of you visit this link: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=7849-Radz-6869&l=english
    This explains what VAC ban is, below I will quote few main points.
    All VAC bans are permanent - Valve has a zero-tolerance policy for cheating and will not lift VAC bans on request.
    And
    If a user connects to a VAC-Secured server from a computer with identifiable cheats installed, the VAC system will ban the user from playing that game on VAC-Secured servers in the future.

    The VAC system reliably detects cheats using their cheat signatures. Any third-party modifications to a game designed to give one player an advantage over another is classified as a cheat or hack and will trigger a VAC ban. This includes modifications to a game's core executable files and dynamic link libraries.

    While server admins may choose to ban specific players, server admins cannot VAC ban players.
    The whos are going to deny these are wrong. Also those who complain that they have banned on using mods or skins? Well all those who say that have used a 3rd party cheating program in order to get them working.

    NOW that anyone that ingnores the points I made above are bias. Is it bias towards the cheaters or just don't don't like ACI's feature what allowes each SERVER OWNER to decide if they want to kick for them. I am note spesific who would do this but if you decide and ingnore what said above and point fingerts, we know who you are.
    Stats on my clan server: 21k logins and 7 kicks for VAC ban. I don't think that is out of order.

    As I stated in my first centance in whole thread that Vac bans are like ACI/GGC/PBbans and pbgl bans, well that is true. And if you get banned by any of those, you need to create a new account in order to play. So how hard would the VAC banned players to create a new account to play. They are the ones who cheated ones and they need to feel some liability.

    Now that some may want that ACI would no longer allow ACI Streaming Admins to have that option, well what I can tell you and this is just my obervation and not a ACI's final decision. No the option wont be disbaled since ACI encourages and demands cheat free clans and servers.

    Stop trying to fool people with your selective quotes, you are the second ACI guys trying that already. Permanent in VAC bans doesn't mean indefinite, it just means they won't be lifted. VAC bans are bound to game/game engine and last a year on first offense. ACI is expanding them to other games (as not intended by VAC system) and converting them to indefinite bans (also not intended by VAC system). Valve does not force their players to create new accounts, they can still play all their other steam games and will be able to play the game they were banned for once their ban expired.

    You have some weird idea about how custom skins and game modifications are done but I'm not gonna bother to waste my time here trying to explain it, maybe someone else will.
  • -VI-ImaHustler-VI-ImaHustler Posts: 81Player
    Vac ban works same way as ACI/GGC/PBBans or pbgl ban. All bans are permanent and all bans are triggered by cheat program.

    First of all I would like all of you visit this link: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=7849-Radz-6869&l=english
    This explains what VAC ban is, below I will quote few main points.
    All VAC bans are permanent - Valve has a zero-tolerance policy for cheating and will not lift VAC bans on request.
    And
    If a user connects to a VAC-Secured server from a computer with identifiable cheats installed, the VAC system will ban the user from playing that game on VAC-Secured servers in the future.

    The VAC system reliably detects cheats using their cheat signatures. Any third-party modifications to a game designed to give one player an advantage over another is classified as a cheat or hack and will trigger a VAC ban. This includes modifications to a game's core executable files and dynamic link libraries.

    While server admins may choose to ban specific players, server admins cannot VAC ban players.
    The whos are going to deny these are wrong. Also those who complain that they have banned on using mods or skins? Well all those who say that have used a 3rd party cheating program in order to get them working.

    NOW that anyone that ingnores the points I made above are bias. Is it bias towards the cheaters or just don't don't like ACI's feature what allowes each SERVER OWNER to decide if they want to kick for them. I am note spesific who would do this but if you decide and ingnore what said above and point fingerts, we know who you are.
    Stats on my clan server: 21k logins and 7 kicks for VAC ban. I don't think that is out of order.

    As I stated in my first centance in whole thread that Vac bans are like ACI/GGC/PBbans and pbgl bans, well that is true. And if you get banned by any of those, you need to create a new account in order to play. So how hard would the VAC banned players to create a new account to play. They are the ones who cheated ones and they need to feel some liability.

    Now that some may want that ACI would no longer allow ACI Streaming Admins to have that option, well what I can tell you and this is just my obervation and not a ACI's final decision. No the option wont be disbaled since ACI encourages and demands cheat free clans and servers.

    You are making good points.
    And while you are correct about the VAC system you have one thing wrong.
    VAC only ban you from the specific game you cheated on while ACI deem them to be banned in any games that are using ACI tools.
    And it is true that its a decision of the admins to enable or disable thise feature but with the low playerbase and not so many servers available it comes to a point were the majority of admins enable this feature and new players that want to play the game and got VACed on a different game for whatever reason should have a chance to try the game out and not instantly getting blocked.
  • SacchoSaccho Posts: 1,577Player
    Stats on my clan server: 21k logins and 7 kicks for VAC ban. I don't think that is out of order.
    The kidz server has had 8 VAC kicks in the past 3 days. The login/kick ratio is a function of server "regulars", where new people look to play, and player turnover.

    Compare the amount of VAC kicks to PB-based kicks. That's the ratio of presumed guilt to actual guilt.
  • TheTotsTheTots Posts: 2,279Player
    edited June 2016
    [soldier] wrote: »
    Fascinating! Care to elaborate?



    Not a lot to elaborate on. All these lists create a stalking / doxxing clture. We also saw a lot of in fighting and drama in the community against entire clans due to one guy getting banned.
    "Oh so and so was cheating so you're all scum!". It just bread toxicity.
    I personally never saw any actual positive effect from the list.
    Now, all of that is just MY personal experience on other games I've worked on.
    As an aside, when I worked with Wargaming I definitely saw a LOT of abuse due to that XVM mod.

    As far as AAPG is concerned, the development team doesn't feel sharing personal player information is proper. We keep ban lists, player data, etc private to protect all of our players. Yes, even cheaters deserve privacy and protection from cyber attacks/stalking that can result from this data.

    Our admin team does a great job of handling the reports that come in. We have great faith in them to be able to handle any problems that arise without needing to put out private player info.
    The game wasn't made exactly to my specifications, so I feel it's broken.

  • TheTotsTheTots Posts: 2,279Player

    It would be at least a great help if you could publicly say that the issued bans by DEVs are in fact given for getting caught for cheese eating.

    Every single ban we issue is due to violations of our rules.
    The game wasn't made exactly to my specifications, so I feel it's broken.

  • SSKnecaboSSKnecabo Posts: 2,721Player
    TheTots wrote: »

    It would be at least a great help if you could publicly say that the issued bans by DEVs are in fact given for getting caught for cheese eating.

    Every single ban we issue is due to violations of our rules.

    This is quite interesting knowing the player in question used porn related names. Does that qualify for a deletion as well?
  • -VI-ImaHustler-VI-ImaHustler Posts: 81Player
    SSKnecabo wrote: »
    Vac ban works same way as ACI/GGC/PBBans or pbgl ban. All bans are permanent and all bans are triggered by cheat program.

    First of all I would like all of you visit this link: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=7849-Radz-6869&l=english
    This explains what VAC ban is, below I will quote few main points.
    All VAC bans are permanent - Valve has a zero-tolerance policy for cheating and will not lift VAC bans on request.
    And
    If a user connects to a VAC-Secured server from a computer with identifiable cheats installed, the VAC system will ban the user from playing that game on VAC-Secured servers in the future.

    The VAC system reliably detects cheats using their cheat signatures. Any third-party modifications to a game designed to give one player an advantage over another is classified as a cheat or hack and will trigger a VAC ban. This includes modifications to a game's core executable files and dynamic link libraries.

    While server admins may choose to ban specific players, server admins cannot VAC ban players.
    The whos are going to deny these are wrong. Also those who complain that they have banned on using mods or skins? Well all those who say that have used a 3rd party cheating program in order to get them working.

    NOW that anyone that ingnores the points I made above are bias. Is it bias towards the cheaters or just don't don't like ACI's feature what allowes each SERVER OWNER to decide if they want to kick for them. I am note spesific who would do this but if you decide and ingnore what said above and point fingerts, we know who you are.
    Stats on my clan server: 21k logins and 7 kicks for VAC ban. I don't think that is out of order.

    As I stated in my first centance in whole thread that Vac bans are like ACI/GGC/PBbans and pbgl bans, well that is true. And if you get banned by any of those, you need to create a new account in order to play. So how hard would the VAC banned players to create a new account to play. They are the ones who cheated ones and they need to feel some liability.

    Now that some may want that ACI would no longer allow ACI Streaming Admins to have that option, well what I can tell you and this is just my obervation and not a ACI's final decision. No the option wont be disbaled since ACI encourages and demands cheat free clans and servers.

    Stop trying to fool people with your selective quotes, you are the second ACI guys trying that already. Permanent in VAC bans doesn't mean indefinite, it just means they won't be lifted. VAC bans are bound to game/game engine and last a year on first offense. ACI is expanding them to other games (as not intended by VAC system) and converting them to indefinite bans (also not intended by VAC system). Valve does not force their players to create new accounts, they can still play all their other steam games and will be able to play the game they were banned for once their ban expired.

    You have some weird idea about how custom skins and game modifications are done but I'm not gonna bother to waste my time here trying to explain it, maybe someone else will.

    I have to correct you since you made that error several times. VAC are permanant even if its your first offense.
    Many websites that do enforce VAC violation to other games usually spare people that have a 1 year old ban or 2 years.
    As example
    FaceIt which is one of the most popular competitive websites for CS:GO does not allow players with a ban that is under one year old ti play. But after that they are allowed.
  • TheTotsTheTots Posts: 2,279Player
    edited June 2016
    SSKnecabo wrote: »
    TheTots wrote: »

    It would be at least a great help if you could publicly say that the issued bans by DEVs are in fact given for getting caught for cheese eating.

    Every single ban we issue is due to violations of our rules.

    This is quite interesting knowing the player in question used porn related names. Does that qualify for a deletion as well?

    Yes. They broke the rules and got banned.
    The game wasn't made exactly to my specifications, so I feel it's broken.

  • SSKnecaboSSKnecabo Posts: 2,721Player
    edited June 2016
    SSKnecabo wrote: »
    Vac ban works same way as ACI/GGC/PBBans or pbgl ban. All bans are permanent and all bans are triggered by cheat program.

    First of all I would like all of you visit this link: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=7849-Radz-6869&l=english
    This explains what VAC ban is, below I will quote few main points.
    All VAC bans are permanent - Valve has a zero-tolerance policy for cheating and will not lift VAC bans on request.
    And
    If a user connects to a VAC-Secured server from a computer with identifiable cheats installed, the VAC system will ban the user from playing that game on VAC-Secured servers in the future.

    The VAC system reliably detects cheats using their cheat signatures. Any third-party modifications to a game designed to give one player an advantage over another is classified as a cheat or hack and will trigger a VAC ban. This includes modifications to a game's core executable files and dynamic link libraries.

    While server admins may choose to ban specific players, server admins cannot VAC ban players.
    The whos are going to deny these are wrong. Also those who complain that they have banned on using mods or skins? Well all those who say that have used a 3rd party cheating program in order to get them working.

    NOW that anyone that ingnores the points I made above are bias. Is it bias towards the cheaters or just don't don't like ACI's feature what allowes each SERVER OWNER to decide if they want to kick for them. I am note spesific who would do this but if you decide and ingnore what said above and point fingerts, we know who you are.
    Stats on my clan server: 21k logins and 7 kicks for VAC ban. I don't think that is out of order.

    As I stated in my first centance in whole thread that Vac bans are like ACI/GGC/PBbans and pbgl bans, well that is true. And if you get banned by any of those, you need to create a new account in order to play. So how hard would the VAC banned players to create a new account to play. They are the ones who cheated ones and they need to feel some liability.

    Now that some may want that ACI would no longer allow ACI Streaming Admins to have that option, well what I can tell you and this is just my obervation and not a ACI's final decision. No the option wont be disbaled since ACI encourages and demands cheat free clans and servers.

    Stop trying to fool people with your selective quotes, you are the second ACI guys trying that already. Permanent in VAC bans doesn't mean indefinite, it just means they won't be lifted. VAC bans are bound to game/game engine and last a year on first offense. ACI is expanding them to other games (as not intended by VAC system) and converting them to indefinite bans (also not intended by VAC system). Valve does not force their players to create new accounts, they can still play all their other steam games and will be able to play the game they were banned for once their ban expired.

    You have some weird idea about how custom skins and game modifications are done but I'm not gonna bother to waste my time here trying to explain it, maybe someone else will.

    I have to correct you since you made that error several times. VAC are permanant even if its your first offense.
    Many websites that do enforce VAC violation to other games usually spare people that have a 1 year old ban or 2 years.
    As example
    FaceIt which is one of the most popular competitive websites for CS:GO does not allow players with a ban that is under one year old ti play. But after that they are allowed.

    My mistake then, must have been FaceIt matches then but I definitely recall playing with a VAC banned player. Still doesn't really change too much, bound to the game and handed out for edge-cases.
  • [soldier][soldier] Posts: 145Player
    TheTots wrote: »
    Not a lot to elaborate on. All these lists create a stalking / doxxing clture. We also saw a lot of in fighting and drama in the community against entire clans due to one guy getting banned.
    "Oh so and so was cheating so you're all scum!". It just bread toxicity.
    I personally never saw any actual positive effect from the list.
    Now, all of that is just MY personal experience on other games I've worked on.
    As an aside, when I worked with Wargaming I definitely saw a LOT of abuse due to that XVM mod.

    As far as AAPG is concerned, the development team doesn't feel sharing personal player information is proper. We keep ban lists, player data, etc private to protect all of our players. Yes, even cheaters deserve privacy and protection from cyber attacks/stalking that can result from this data.

    Our admin team does a great job of handling the reports that come in. We have great faith in them to be able to handle any problems that arise without needing to put out private player info.

    Do you feel that a simple list of banned GUIDs would be releasing too much information? That's pretty restrictive, I can go to Steam and find out if an account has a VAC ban. With Even Balance I normally would have to open a ticket to inquire about a Global Ban on an account, but even they will respond with a pass/fail on a given GUID.
  • TheTotsTheTots Posts: 2,279Player
    As far as AAPG is concerned, we can't release any ban data, at all.
    Forces much higher than me in the chain have told me that is a nogo.
    I won't pretend to know all of the Army's privacy policies by heart, I can just told you that when I have inquired about this in the past it was shut down quite thoroughly.
    The game wasn't made exactly to my specifications, so I feel it's broken.

  • [soldier][soldier] Posts: 145Player
    TheTots wrote: »
    As far as AAPG is concerned, we can't release any ban data, at all.
    Forces much higher than me in the chain have told me that is a nogo.
    I won't pretend to know all of the Army's privacy policies by heart, I can just told you that when I have inquired about this in the past it was shut down quite thoroughly.

    Thanks, I appreciate the response on that!
  • -=312th=-Atrophied-=312th=-Atrophied Posts: 67Player
    edited June 2016
    If you see the bad impact of vacbans on your game Tots,why you dont forbid it at all!?

    After Dice had trouble with its customers because of ACI,they acted instantly..
    SSKnecabo wrote: »
    Vac ban works same way as ACI/GGC/PBBans or pbgl ban. All bans are permanent and all bans are triggered by cheat program.

    First of all I would like all of you visit this link: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=7849-Radz-6869&l=english
    This explains what VAC ban is, below I will quote few main points.
    All VAC bans are permanent - Valve has a zero-tolerance policy for cheating and will not lift VAC bans on request.
    And
    If a user connects to a VAC-Secured server from a computer with identifiable cheats installed, the VAC system will ban the user from playing that game on VAC-Secured servers in the future.

    The VAC system reliably detects cheats using their cheat signatures. Any third-party modifications to a game designed to give one player an advantage over another is classified as a cheat or hack and will trigger a VAC ban. This includes modifications to a game's core executable files and dynamic link libraries.

    While server admins may choose to ban specific players, server admins cannot VAC ban players.
    The whos are going to deny these are wrong. Also those who complain that they have banned on using mods or skins? Well all those who say that have used a 3rd party cheating program in order to get them working.

    NOW that anyone that ingnores the points I made above are bias. Is it bias towards the cheaters or just don't don't like ACI's feature what allowes each SERVER OWNER to decide if they want to kick for them. I am note spesific who would do this but if you decide and ingnore what said above and point fingerts, we know who you are.
    Stats on my clan server: 21k logins and 7 kicks for VAC ban. I don't think that is out of order.

    As I stated in my first centance in whole thread that Vac bans are like ACI/GGC/PBbans and pbgl bans, well that is true. And if you get banned by any of those, you need to create a new account in order to play. So how hard would the VAC banned players to create a new account to play. They are the ones who cheated ones and they need to feel some liability.

    Now that some may want that ACI would no longer allow ACI Streaming Admins to have that option, well what I can tell you and this is just my obervation and not a ACI's final decision. No the option wont be disbaled since ACI encourages and demands cheat free clans and servers.

    Stop trying to fool people with your selective quotes, you are the second ACI guys trying that already. Permanent in VAC bans doesn't mean indefinite, it just means they won't be lifted. VAC bans are bound to game/game engine and last a year on first offense. ACI is expanding them to other games (as not intended by VAC system) and converting them to indefinite bans (also not intended by VAC system). Valve does not force their players to create new accounts, they can still play all their other steam games and will be able to play the game they were banned for once their ban expired.

    You have some weird idea about how custom skins and game modifications are done but I'm not gonna bother to waste my time here trying to explain it, maybe someone else will.

    But ACI isn't extending the bans, they are simply making it convenient to see that a player has a VAC ban. Even without ACI we would still see the VAC ban if you had one on the account you are using so what's the point in blaming the tool?

    The ADMINS of the servers made a conscious choice to not allow VAC banned accounts to play in their servers and contrary to some of the posts in this thread it IS their right to do so. I would complain too if my account got banned with no given reason but in this case people are being given a reason: they cheated with that account on ANY game and it is listed on their account.

    I know for my clan we gladly welcome ban appeals and when someone comes to our website and asks why they were banned we give them the answer. We don't ban for people beating us, playing too well, mere suspicion or any other BS reason. It's the fairest way it can be handled... You ask why you get banned and we tell you that you are a verified cheater if that is the case.

    Why should a community want to keep cheaters from another game away from their community? Simple. Cheaters aren't okay. No excuse for it, no tolerance for it, and the only reason you find the leniency of banned GUID's instead of globally banned players is because the goal is to boot out the cheaters without booting out the legitimate players. Saying "I got VAC banned but I am a legitimate player" is a cop out for people who got caught doing something they weren't ALLOWED to do and they are now sorry that they ever GOT CAUGHT.


  • =NiW=Raksu-ACI-=NiW=Raksu-ACI- Posts: 4Player
    The links and quotes I had in my post was DIRECTLY from Steam website. But maybe you know better how they deal with things.

    The thing I find funny is that you lot defend the VAC banned players who have caught cheating, and I mean CAUGHT FOR CHEATING. Me as a Server Owner and long time Anticheat personel don't care if you have chteated in CS:GO, AAPG, AA3, AA2, Battlefield or whatever game. You have a cheater record.
    Obiviously you can argue that long time bans should not count and as I live with ACI standards and we live 3 years from the last ban and if you have 2 bans 5 years. But alot of Server Owners are with once a cheater always a cheater mentality. And you say that is bad way?

    In previous thread I have seen posts where there has been talk about misuing the history tool and I will give you it and I do not like it one bit. For those who do not know how to use the history tool they should not make decisions to ban people on false assumption. I will take all responsibility on all misuse of the history tool. Since there is not updated versions on the GUIDE's what to use and I do not see one coming any time soon.

    Do not defend cheaters, if they are banned they have used cheats.
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