Posted: 24 Aug 2009 04:09

The Suppressor's(AKA Silencer) purpose is to reduce the amount of noise and flash generated by firing the weapon. Contrary to popular belief the suppressor is NOT suppose to 100% completely make the gun fire Silent...but more so to disguise the noise and make a person be undetected for longer periods of time. On that note i think it would be a excellent choice by the AA3 Developers if they implemented that back into the AA3 game...except unlike aa2 record real world Suppressor sound so it sounds legit and like it's suppose to....I don't see why this cannot be done because they've recorded real world m16 and m4 gun fire sound and grenade sounds. This would further add to the player being able to be stealthy in game. This is a game...and stealth will never be perfect or 100% lifelike(in my opinion) but they can get mighty close.

Secondly i'd reccommend throwing the Ghillie suit into the aa3 game. This is something that(if done properly) would GREATLY improve one's ability to conceal thereself(especially snipers).In my opinion the best of ghillie suits are made by hand and maby this is also another thing that could be implemented into the aa3 game...allow the aa3 player to costomize there Ghillie suit for the mission. No Call of Duty intentions here...cod has the Gillie suit but it really doesn't allow you to utilize it ingame...aa3 could accomplish this.

Posted: 24 Aug 2009 04:50

Only map you would really use a ghillie suit would be ranch, (which would be nice btw)

Posted: 24 Aug 2009 07:19

The Infantry don't use suppressors. Squad Designated Marksman don't wear ghillie suits.

There might be a possibility of seeing the suppressor return when/if they introduce the Special Forces again, like they have in AA2, but that will probably be a while down the road if it happens.

It's really not hard to conceal your position on Ranch as is. Just make sure not to silhouette yourself and stick to the bushes and darker grass.

Posted: 24 Aug 2009 07:46

Sw3rls

I was more talking about having a map made specifically for "Snipers" to use the "Ghillie suit".Oh and yes i'm quite aware they'd have to expand farther then the "DMR". They'd have to re-introduce the sniper rifals from aa2 or whatever the us army currently uses for Sniping.... I don't think ranch would work too well for the "Ghillie Suit" unless the dev's made the Ghillie suit specifically for that map...or made the Ghillie suit costomizable so that you can adapt to each map.

WallyWorld.

I'm no expert on the "Infantry" and haven't claimed to be. If what you say is true(That infantry don't use suppressors) then yes...obviously they would have to re-introduce the "Special Forces" again like they have in AA2...my suggestion still stands regardless if it's implemented long ways down the road or tomarrow.

WallyWorld...yes to a certain degree you can conceal your location on ranch and all the maps for that matter...but your not getting the point. I'm talking about straight up ghost like concealment where the "Ghillie Suit" would come in handy...where you can actually look like apart of the ground...catch my drift...where someone would look right at you and never know your a person.

Posted: 24 Aug 2009 08:20

WallyWorld wrote:

The Infantry don't use suppressors.

I've learned that my word means nothing compared to what someone heard somewhere else or saw on FW. These pictures back up the fact that I have personally worked with guys using issued suppressors on their M4s from plain Jane Mother Army units.

WallyWorld wrote:

Squad Designated Marksman don't wear ghillie suits.

True.

Posted: 24 Aug 2009 10:52

mmmmm suppressor power

gotta make a return, loved Dusk and my suppressor

Posted: 24 Aug 2009 14:24

I probably should have said "usually". I personally only have second hand knowledge of such things because I have some friends that are/were in the military and am not actually allowed to join myself

Posted: 24 Aug 2009 14:48

longjon76 wrote:

WallyWorld wrote: The Infantry don't use suppressors. I've learned that my word means nothing compared to what someone heard somewhere else or saw on FW. These pictures back up the fact that I have personally worked with guys using issued suppressors on their M4s from plain Jane Mother Army units. WallyWorld wrote: Squad Designated Marksman don't wear ghillie suits. True.

Well the top photo is of Airborne who aren't in the game. One loss there...

The bottom photo is obviously on a range, not wearing his webbing. Anecdotal at best but not proof.

Posted: 24 Aug 2009 15:01

With the ghillie suit, how would you make it look different for both friendly and enemy forces, and have both of them blend in to the map?

Posted: 24 Aug 2009 15:24

The top photo is of 101st bubbas. Yes, they are an "airborne" division but they are actually air assault. The only jump slotted guys in that division are Pathfinders. However, they are definitely infantry.

I got the second picture here. Sure, not proof that those guys are infantry but the only unit patch I see is 25th ID (and a guy with an 82nd combat patch).

The point is, those are pictures of non-SF with suppressors on their M4s.

Anyway, more proof:

Quote:

US Army Sgt. John Maninga, 1st Bn., 187th Infantry Regiment, 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 101st Airborne Div.

Posted: 24 Aug 2009 19:04

It still isn't standard issue, so it probably wouldn't make it into the game until the SF, or someone else that uses them regularly.

Posted: 25 Aug 2009 08:22

What is "standard issue" here?

It has an NSN. It exists on some MTOEs. It is issued to some Soldiers. What more do you really need?

It's not like the guys in the photos above PERPROed those M4QDs.

There is plenty of precedent for there to be cans outside of SF.

Posted: 25 Aug 2009 08:58

Is that an AN/PAQ-4C, and can I have one of those too?

Posted: 25 Aug 2009 09:27

longjon.. has clearly shown suppressors used outside of SF.. now give my little soldier one

Posted: 25 Aug 2009 09:29

longjon76 wrote:

What is "standard issue" here? It has an NSN. It exists on some MTOEs. It is issued to some Soldiers. What more do you really need? It's not like the guys in the photos above PERPROed those M4QDs. There is plenty of precedent for there to be cans outside of SF.

Having an NSN doesn't necessarily mean you can procure the item;

from wiki

Quote:

A National Stock Number (NSN) is a 13-digit numeric code, identifying all the 'standardized material items of supply' as they have been recognized by the United States Department of Defense. Pursuant to the NATO Standardization Agreements (STANAGs), the NSN has come to be used in all treaty countries, where it is also known as a NATO Stock Number. However, many countries that use the NSN progamme are not members of NATO i.e. Japan, Australia and New Zealand. A two-digit Material Management Aggregation Code (MMAC) suffix may also be appended, to denote asset end use but it is not considered part of the NSN. An items having an NSN is said to be "stock-listed".

I could give you the NSN for the F88 Austeyr but you could not get one unless you knew someone who could pull a shonky.