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evilstorm

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      Posted: 09 Jan 2009 13:30 Profile


I just seen this on google . Its taken in Gaza. Can someone who knows tell me if this shows a cluster bomb? I thought they were illegal? Nothing is in the news clip saying anything about it??? Thanks in advance.

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OldManHeadShot

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      Posted: 09 Jan 2009 13:33 Profile


Looks like chaff or flares.
There would be a huge long explosion if it was cluster bomb.

Exhibit A) http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=...EnuLPzk
Exhibit B) http://www.defenselink.mil/dod...69a.jpg
Exhibit C) http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=...ROvc1Zs Shows actual use.
Exhibit D) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C...easure)

Also, its only illegal if they catch you. Very Happy

PingWing / Christiaan

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      Posted: 09 Jan 2009 13:43 Profile Christmas Island


Well not illegal, a couple months or years ago lots and lots of countries signed a contract that they would NEVER use cluster bombs.

America, China and Israel (almost the only countries which use cluster bombs) didn't signed.

.[Ak4].Cwunk

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      Posted: 09 Jan 2009 14:00 Profile


White Phosphorous maybe?

EDIT: Very possible. Times Online reported Jan 8:
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Photographic evidence has emerged that proves that Israel has been using controversial white phosphorus shells during its offensive in Gaza, despite official denials by the Israel Defence Forces.

There is also evidence that the rounds have injured Palestinian civilians, causing severe burns. The use of white phosphorus against civilians is prohibited under international law.



I think it looks like white smoke from what I saw on Wiki.

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OldManHeadShot

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      Posted: 09 Jan 2009 14:05 Profile


No its little white russians.
The red bits are there vodka bottles labels.

Gosh, get it right! Cheesy Grin

evilstorm

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      Posted: 09 Jan 2009 14:13 Profile


I just saw the news it showed an explosion about 200 feet up with the same projectiles. Maybe just how an airbust shell looks like?

Wendigo

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      Posted: 09 Jan 2009 16:52 Profile United Kingdom


White phosphorus shelling.
A cluster bomb is 40 possible sub-munitions on parachutes, looks entirely different to this when deployed.
Thats my guess anyway.

Whether it's being done for obfuscation purposes or to burn targets/injure combatants is another matter.
Pretty though.

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      Posted: 09 Jan 2009 23:07 Profile United States


PingWing / Christiaan wrote:

Well not illegal, a couple months or years ago lots and lots of countries signed a contract that they would NEVER use cluster bombs.

America, China and Israel (almost the only countries which use cluster bombs) didn't signed.



Yeah MOST countries who are under the protection of the US, Russia, and China signed into law to ban cluster bombs, but that doesnt mean if these countries ever get attacked they would have huge protests at the UN complaining that there allies who are protecting them use cluster bombs on the invaders of there countries

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      Posted: 09 Jan 2009 23:13 Profile United States


Cluster bombs have a unique visual signature. Typically, bombs do not have white trail behind them, as they are free falling munitions. This picture is typical of a weapon with propulsion, in which case I would guess rockets, unguided in nature.

A spook friend of mine would say, "Hard telling, not knowing." My guess is just that, a guess.

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      Posted: 09 Jan 2009 23:52 ProfileOnline United States


It doesn't look like cluster bombs to I, then I'm not an expert.

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      Posted: 10 Jan 2009 00:05 Profile


Heres a link that explains briefly what a cluster bomb is and what it does (pics there too)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews...230.stm

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evilstorm

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      Posted: 10 Jan 2009 04:52 Profile


I found this on youtube, pity anyone caught near this :

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=...WTd8v8M

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      Posted: 10 Jan 2009 05:24 Profile


Thats a White Phosphorous shell set on air burst. The burst you can't see, its further in the air to the left. Very dangerous weapon. We used it countless times in Afghanistan though.

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      Posted: 10 Jan 2009 08:00 Profile United States


http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/wp.htm wrote:

Israel used White Phosphorus against HAMAS targets in Gaza during Operation Cast Lead in January 2009. This violated no international laws or conventions.


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Bud wrote:

http://www.opcw.org/

http://www.globalsecurity.org/...iii.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F...ets.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F...und.jpg

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http://sill-www.army.mil/FAMAG...-30.pdf

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4442988.stm

Dusty_Roads

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      Posted: 10 Jan 2009 09:04 Profile





LOL, I think Israel needs to update their air force.... Cheesy Grin


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