Posted: 21 Nov 2006 19:07

I have a question about shifting military branches here

In Rainbow Six: Vegas the Team has a new leader, Logan Keller

It says in his BIO he was first was a Marine:

1991-1993: Marines 4th Division
1993-1997: Recon C Company

then suddenly was an army boy, in Delta, all within a year?

1997-2005: 1st SFOD-Delta

Is this even possible? Even with his previous experience as a Marine, wouldn't he have to go through a lot of testing and screening before beeing allowed to even join the Army? And even if he was allowed into the army at once, doesn't it take quite some time to become Sergeant and SF qualified?

I find it hard to believe that even with Force Recon experience, the Army would just let someone become a Delta operator just like that?

UBI Soft screwing up the facts again?

Posted: 21 Nov 2006 19:09

Cirap wrote:

I have a question about shifting military branches here In Rainbow Six: Vegas the Team has a new leader, Logan Keller It says in his BIO he was first was a Marine: 1991-1993: Marines 4th Division 1993-1997: Recon C Company then suddenly was an army boy, in Delta, all within a year? 1997-2005: 1st SFOD-Delta Is this even possible? Even with his previous experience as a Marine, wouldn't he have to go through a lot of testing and screening before beeing allowed to even join the Army? And even if he was allowed into the army at once, doesn't it take quite some time to become Sergeant and SF qualified? I find it hard to believe that even with Force Recon experience, the Army would just let someone become a Delta operator just like that?

It's a Game.

Posted: 21 Nov 2006 19:11

yeah, I know it's a game, but it's supposed to be "Authentic"

besides, I'm just asking

Posted: 21 Nov 2006 19:12

Quote:

It's a Game.

QFT



, also to answer the question i have no idea

Posted: 21 Nov 2006 19:15

It's possible.

All "Delta" operators are put through OTC - Operator's Training Course. It's ~6 months long, and everyone - no matter the level of experience (a former truck driver to the most experience Special Forces operator) - has to go through it. So, he could have gone to selection, been selected, then w/in 45 days been in OTC - ~6 months later he's a "Delta" operator.

**edit - let me caveat that by saying he won't be Special Forces qualified - simply "OTC qualified" which is fine for "Delta", but means he couldn't go from Delta to a regular Special Forces Group without going through the Special Forces Qualification Course (1-2 years long depending on your MOS).

Posted: 21 Nov 2006 19:23

Quote:

Even with his previous experience as a Marine, wouldn't he have to go through a lot of testing and screening before beeing allowed to even join the Army?

LOL. Testing and screening to join the Army?? Who'da thunk. Hell, they're lucky a Marine is even considering them.

Posted: 21 Nov 2006 19:25

GriT- wrote:

LOL. Testing and screening to join the Army?? Who'da thunk. Hell, they're lucky a Marine is even considering them.

I was in the SFQC with a former "Force Recon" guy. He failed because he couldn't qualify at the minimum Army standards with a M4A1.

Posted: 21 Nov 2006 19:27

boydestruction wrote:

GriT- wrote: LOL. Testing and screening to join the Army?? Who'da thunk. Hell, they're lucky a Marine is even considering them. I was in the SFQC with a former "Force Recon" guy. He failed because he couldn't qualify at the minimum Army standards with a M4A1.

You sure he wasn't just a soldier from some maintenance dept BSing you

Posted: 21 Nov 2006 19:27

GriT- wrote:

boydestruction wrote: GriT- wrote: LOL. Testing and screening to join the Army?? Who'da thunk. Hell, they're lucky a Marine is even considering them. I was in the SFQC with a former "Force Recon" guy. He failed because he couldn't qualify at the minimum Army standards with a M4A1. You sure he wasn't just a soldier from some maintenance dept BSing you

Positive.

Posted: 22 Nov 2006 03:58

boydestruction wrote:

It's possible. All "Delta" operators are put through OTC - Operator's Training Course. It's ~6 months long, and everyone - no matter the level of experience (a former truck driver to the most experience Special Forces operator) - has to go through it. So, he could have gone to selection, been selected, then w/in 45 days been in OTC - ~6 months later he's a "Delta" operator. **edit - let me caveat that by saying he won't be Special Forces qualified - simply "OTC qualified" which is fine for "Delta", but means he couldn't go from Delta to a regular Special Forces Group without going through the Special Forces Qualification Course (1-2 years long depending on your MOS).

You make it sounds like SF are more hardcore than Delta ops.

Posted: 22 Nov 2006 06:30

boydestruction wrote:

It's possible. All "Delta" operators are put through OTC - Operator's Training Course. It's ~6 months long, and everyone - no matter the level of experience (a former truck driver to the most experience Special Forces operator) - has to go through it. So, he could have gone to selection, been selected, then w/in 45 days been in OTC - ~6 months later he's a "Delta" operator. **edit - let me caveat that by saying he won't be Special Forces qualified - simply "OTC qualified" which is fine for "Delta", but means he couldn't go from Delta to a regular Special Forces Group without going through the Special Forces Qualification Course (1-2 years long depending on your MOS).

thank you

Posted: 22 Nov 2006 11:45

the game is made by some geek that have researched the SF

Posted: 22 Nov 2006 12:24

Skeletomania wrote:

boydestruction wrote: It's possible. All "Delta" operators are put through OTC - Operator's Training Course. It's ~6 months long, and everyone - no matter the level of experience (a former truck driver to the most experience Special Forces operator) - has to go through it. So, he could have gone to selection, been selected, then w/in 45 days been in OTC - ~6 months later he's a "Delta" operator. **edit - let me caveat that by saying he won't be Special Forces qualified - simply "OTC qualified" which is fine for "Delta", but means he couldn't go from Delta to a regular Special Forces Group without going through the Special Forces Qualification Course (1-2 years long depending on your MOS). You make it sounds like SF are more hardcore than Delta ops.

I don't feel that way from the post. Delta is counter-terror while SF is guerrilla ops. They both have dramatically different missions.

Posted: 22 Nov 2006 12:35

Eternal_Thompson_Gunner wrote:

Skeletomania wrote: boydestruction wrote: It's possible. All "Delta" operators are put through OTC - Operator's Training Course. It's ~6 months long, and everyone - no matter the level of experience (a former truck driver to the most experience Special Forces operator) - has to go through it. So, he could have gone to selection, been selected, then w/in 45 days been in OTC - ~6 months later he's a "Delta" operator. **edit - let me caveat that by saying he won't be Special Forces qualified - simply "OTC qualified" which is fine for "Delta", but means he couldn't go from Delta to a regular Special Forces Group without going through the Special Forces Qualification Course (1-2 years long depending on your MOS). You make it sounds like SF are more hardcore than Delta ops. I don't feel that way from the post. Delta is counter-terror while SF is guerrilla ops. They both have dramatically different missions.

but shouldn't all Deltas still have "basic" SF training? Like the SEALs from SEAL Team Six were drawn from the other SEAL Teams. this ensured everyone in Six had the same training to begin with

Posted: 22 Nov 2006 12:38

Cirap wrote:

but shouldn't all Deltas still have "basic" SF training? Like the SEALs from SEAL Team Six were drawn from the other SEAL Teams. this ensured everyone in Six had the same training to begin with

Not necessarily. I know that some CT units ask you to "forget everything you've previously learned" once you start your training.

GIGN